Suggest A Soundhole Pick Please

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I will be receiving my new GAD-JF30 tomorrow and like all my acoustics, generally will install a pickup in it. I have a K&K Western Mini unit sitting here unused, but the advice I've had from friends in other forums is that they can be boomy, so it would be better used in an OM size guitar I have here.

I actually prefer something like a soundhole pickup and wondered about the Baggs units... They came recommended from friends elsewhere, but I'd love to hear of experiences from people actually using the same guitar.

Also, is there room to install a regular strap button on the lower bout if the original button were to be drilled out to run the 1/4" jack through it instead of down the front of the guitar?

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dennis
 
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I like the LR BaggsM1 active. Im using it in a GF30 (1987) which is, i suppose, very similar to your JF30. In my home studio it goes into a Fender amp and thro' a graphic eq. Just thro' the amp its hard to get it to feedback. Straight into a recorder's jack input it sounds good too. Given the limitations of a soundhole pickup I find it very useable. I havent tried any other current systems.

Its easy to fit but you've got to at least loosen the strings and plug in the mini- jack before placing the pick up in the soundhole.

To fit it 'permanently' my guitar expert swapped the supplied jack plug for a Switchcraft socket which, he said, is better quality. This was done on my 12 string (Fender Villager) but hes about to do it to the GF30. (Ive used it so far with the lead dangling from the soundhole).
It outputs thro' the lower side of the guitar instead of the end block in the same sort of position as (say) a Telecaster. Seems good and strong to me. With the output thro' the strap pin but you cant easily lean it against a wall.

Ive got some pics but cant load them from my computer apparently...
 

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sitka_spruce said:
The mini variety isn't boomy, but the standard size can be.
Hmmm... (some things just make you say Hmmm)...

Looking at the installation equirements, I'm hesitant to consider that installation myself, but everyone I know who has done it says it's easier than it appears in the instructions. We'll see...

In the meantime, I have a Seymour Duncan "Woody" soundhole pickup, a humbucker, that actually sounds pretty good. I'd prefer something like the Baggs I-Beam, but keep them suggestions comin' friends and neighbors!
 

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DennisMiller said:
I will be receiving my new GAD-JF30 tomorrow and like all my acoustics, generally will install a pickup in it. I have a K&K Western Mini unit sitting here unused, but the advice I've had from friends in other forums is that they can be boomy, so it would be better used in an OM size guitar I have here.

I actually prefer something like a soundhole pickup and wondered about the Baggs units... They came recommended from friends elsewhere, but I'd love to hear of experiences from people actually using the same guitar.

Also, is there room to install a regular strap button on the lower bout if the original button were to be drilled out to run the 1/4" jack through it instead of down the front of the guitar?

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dennis


Dennis:

By the Baggs soundhole pickup, I am going to assume that you are talking about one of the M1 variations. I have heard one on a Martin (M1 Active), and it sounds OK, not great, OK. I felt that it still sounds somewhat like an electric guitar, and nowhere near as good as a good SBT pickup (eg. Baggs iBeam, or K &K Western Mini), or the DTAR UST pickups. This was on a gigging guitar, played with amplification almost exclusively.

Acoustically, the weight of the M1 does seem to dull the attack, and gives the guitar a slightly more bassy sound. Seems to me that the extra weight is increasing the mass of the soundboard, generally not considered a good thing (most hand builders, for example, seem to go out of their way to make as light a soundboard as possible).

I have heard that that K & K Western/Pure tends towards boominess, but not the Mini.

Should you choose to hard wire in a pickup, the "nut" that holds the 1/4" jack in serves as a strap button. Most straps either fit onto it, or can be made to fit it very easily by slightly opening up the end pin slot.

Kostas
 

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Thanks Kostas... I'm sitting here staring at the box with the K&K in it and I guess when I get the guitar tomorrow, I'll enjoy it for a few days and then take my chances.

Based on not much more than the fact I already have the K&K, I suppose it makes sense, but then, I play guitar and nobody would admit I make sense!

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Dennis
 

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I put a K&K Mini in my D-55 and I don't find it boomy straight into my acoustic amp or our church PA. But normally I don't go direct to amplification. I normally use a LLBaggs Paracoustic DI to tweek the EQ (drop out some mids) and to have a volume control. I thought that installation of the mini was easy. Just be patient and practice like the instructions say before doing the actual installation.
 

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Dennis,

If you really want a good sounding pickup system, then I suggest you go this route:

If you have a good guitar tech in your town, have him install the K & K, and at the same time purchase the Baggs M-1 pickup, and have him install both, with a balance wheel inside the guitar, to, well, balance between the two. They would have to be wired together inside the guitar in such a way that both pickups after passing through the balance control, would go to the output jack of the heel, and therefore what comes out is a mix of what you make between the two pickups.

The reason is thus: the K&K will give you a more natural sound, more true to an acoustic sound, but because it is a soundboard pickup, it will feed back at moderate to high volume levels. That is when you would dial in some of the M-1 sound, which will not feedback as much as the K&K.
The M-1 by itself is a good sounding pickup, but because it is a magnetic pickup, comes up way short in reproducing the subtle nuannces of your guitar. So the two of them working together will give you the best of two worlds.

I have a Fishman Rare Earth Blend, which is a boom mic and a magnetic pickup combined, with a balance control between them. Cost is about $300. I would prefer instead of the mic, either an I-Beam, or a K & K like what you have. That combined with a magnetic pickup would give the right balance of sound.

Most professionals use a two pickup system.

Just a suggestion. You are half way there. Just find a good tech, and see if it can be done. good luck.

Metalman
 

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DennisMiller said:
sitka_spruce said:
The mini variety isn't boomy, but the standard size can be.
Hmmm... (some things just make you say Hmmm)...

Looking at the installation equirements, I'm hesitant to consider that installation myself, but everyone I know who has done it says it's easier than it appears in the instructions. We'll see...

In the meantime, I have a Seymour Duncan "Woody" soundhole pickup, a humbucker, that actually sounds pretty good. I'd prefer something like the Baggs I-Beam, but keep them suggestions comin' friends and neighbors!
It really is that easy as they say - take my word for it. The pre-amp, if not designed for the pickup, could be something to consider for it to match the impedance of the pickup.

However if you consider going the electro mechanic route do look into this fellow: http://lacemusic.com/acoustic_pickups/a ... _specs.php It's very transparent, great dynamics and has a wide frequency range.
 

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Maybe I should mention that I tend to strum or play fingerstyle, not much flatpicking.

Does that temper anyone's feelings about what you would put in a jumbo?

The brown truck hasn't arrived yet, so I'm trying to get as much work out of the way before it does... (so what am I doing here?)... well, typing looks like I'm working... :twisted:
 

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I'm throwing out another option. I put a Fishman Rare Earth magnetinc sound hole pickup in my GF-25. I run it through a Baggs DI, into either the PA, or a Fender Acoustasonic. It's very good for the band setting I play in, the Baggs allows me to tune the tone so I can blend (or contrast) with the other guitar players.

I'm mostly a strummer, but pick a little too.

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The jumbo arrived this morning and regardless of a few little things that won't bother me, I'm very happy with it. The tone is what I hoped for, a bit bass oriented without necessarily going as far as the typical Martin BOOM, but bassy when strummed. On the other hand, this thing is sweet when finger picked up the fretboard. For someone like me, it might be the ideal combination. I really think I lucked out.

The neck profile, something that is always a concern with my big hands, is comfortable. The neck appears a bit dry, so I'll remove the strings and give it some Dr. Duck's Axe Wax this evening to moisten it. The snowflake inlays are very nicely done without any apparent filler or superglue marks around them. There is no fret sprout at all and no buzz from what is a really good setup straight out of the box. Given a couple days in my 55% RH music room, we'll see how it settles in, but as we used to say in the military, "Confidence is high..."

If I had to be skeptical about anything, it would be the saddle, which doesn't appear to be bone, as advertised. By domino effect, that would make me wonder about the nut and pins, but I can deal with all that myself. I have never seen bone cut into the little square corners where slots are made for intonation adjustment. This looks like plastic, with the little tilted walls to accommodate the strings that need to be accommodated. There is also what looks like the little piece of slag where the saddle was once attached to the tree during the molding process. For the way it plays and sounds, I'm certainly not going to send it back or bust anyone's chops over something like this. I have bone blanks and probably a Tusq saddle or two at home. It'll be fun to experiment, but as is, this is well worth the money.

The only other thing about it, not that I dislike it at all, but that I find different, is the finish. Instead of what I typically think of as a brown sunburst, this is more of a black and yellow. I just looked at it again and I'd have to actually say it's such a dark brown that it looks black, but it's a two tone burst like an old Fender Strat I once had. I was a bit taken aback when I opened the case, but it's just so different from anything else I have. I think I'll grow to like it pretty quickly. It might even take a couple hours until I go home from work!

The case is simply cool as hell. The antique brass colored hinges against the olive tweed fabric and leather trim, (OK, genuine immitation leather), is just such a cool look that I think people will notice how different it is and want to see what's inside that monstrously large case.

One thing a friend in another forum suggested that just isn't true is that this guitar doesn't feel heavy or over-built at all. It feels no less sturdy than my Taylor dreadnaught and it's not as light as my Martin dreadnaught, but it's not as heavy as my Takamine 12 string. In general, I'd say it is on the lighter side of average, which leaves me with hope that the tone will only improve over time. Volume is not incredible like my Martin... this is no cannon... but it doesn't get muddy when I beat on it, so strings, saddle and playing time might even improve that a bit. My Martin has had quite a few years thrown into it, so it has a big headstart.

In conclusion, I stand by my original gut feeling that this would be one hell of a good deal to grab one from MF while you still can. Personally, I'm going to watch for more of the GAD series to see where the prices go and grab what I can when I can.

Excuse me now please... I'm going to go play my new guitar... and try to make it look like I'm working. (It's a good thing I run this place!)
 
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