Strap button placement, advice please!

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Okeedokee folks, I'd like to put a forward strap button on my '07 DV6. Now the thing is the guitar didn't come with a forward button, but DOES have the wooden block inside the upper bout. So, should I put one there or go with fitting one on neck heel????? Any experience of balance issues with either placement, or better playing positions etc. I think I'd prefer to go with the neck heel mount as I hate the idea of drilling through that lovely rosewood. Does anyone have pictures or measurements of the best position on the heel to drill a pilot hole???

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Hi Solenoid Lopez,
To me it seems best if your neck has a pointed heal to put it on the bottom side. ( click on pics )





or...if your guitar has a flat heal like my Guild DV-52, I like it here:





and PLEASE drill a pilot hole :) easiest way to tell the size if its not stated is to just hold a drill bit up in front of the screw and match it to the size of the screws shaft..( not the shaft plus the threads)..
I am sure others will chime in who know much more than I but thats how I do it. :D

...also I checked out your myspace link..nice stuff!....and I love your avatar of young Hank Williams!!
 

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I think if you've got the wooden block on the top side of the upper bout, that's the best place. All the new Guilds are coming with the strap button placed there. Perhaps yours was a transitional model or they forgot to put it on?

Normally, though, when I put a strap button on I do what steel' just described. And, yes, you definitely want to drill a pilot hole or you will likely damage the neck (or the sides/block, depending on what you do).

By the way, I would leave this to a luthier. Just me, perhaps.
 

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Mount it like the top picture but a little higher up to the fingerboard. I go 1 inch down and 1 inch out. That way it is in the palm of your hand when you play up there and out of the way since your hand is curled a little by then. Mounted like the picture the bottom of your hand will hit it.
That's been my experience. YMMV.
 

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I have strap buttons on the lower side of the neck on my 312 and D55. That placement works just fine for me. I got a GAD 30R this summer to play at the beach and it came with the strap button already on, on the upper bout going into a block inside. That placement is very comfortable (but it's a smaller and lighter guitar). I do not have a strap button on my New Yorker, I just can't have it done...something about asking someone to put something in that old braz rosewood...

I have a luthier do anything that involves much more than stringing, cleaning, and waxing my guitars but that's just me. Actually I got burnt by that once, I just assumed the guy would put the strap button on the lower side of my D55. He put it right in the heel. I hated that position and since it went into the binding, I had a dot put in it when I had the new button installed.

hmmmm I think this calls for some pictures...an excuse to bring them out and play a bit...back later with pics
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Thanks for the replies so far. I'm quite happy to do the install myself, I just want to do it right the first time. I fitted a strap button to my Freshman which has been (until now) my main guitar with no issues apart from it is a little neck heavy : (

Next job is to fit a K & K pure western mini as I did to my Freshman.

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Here are the pictures. Until I just took them I didn't realize the difference in the placement of the button on the 12 and 6. Now I'll have to compare them for comfort...not that I'm going to have anything changed. But it does show that everyone seems to have a "favorite" placement and what is good for one person might not be the best for someone else. Nice that the GAD came with it already on so I didn't have to think about it.
And yes...the brazilian rosewood on the f-312 really is that much redder than the rosewood on the D55 and GAD-30R. Now that I've got them out it may be time for a family portrait.

jg

f-312
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D55
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D55 old placement
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GAD-30R
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solenoid lopez said:
jgmaute, thanks for that. The new placement on your D55 is about where I was thinking. Whats the strap balance like on that one????

I just compared the D55 to the f-312 using the same strap. Well, it really isn't a good comparison because the f-312 is much lighter than the D55 so I don't need to use such a wide strap...back to your question, I really like the balance on the D55 placement, no matter what size strap I use. I recently moved to a wider and padded strap for the D55. I'm playing more and I stand when I play. The D55 is really a heavy guitar. I actually wasn't playing it as much as my Martin because it so heavy. I even preferred the GAD for comfort (surely not sound). I moved to a planet waves wide strap that is padded and it's made all the difference. The D55 is back in favored status when I want that amazingly full and ringing sound my Martin can't produce.
joan

Here's the Martin...no strap button
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I think the best reason to leave the strap button job to a luthier is that you can blame somebody else when the heel of your neck is cracked!!

As some posters have already pointed out, strap button placement depends on what you are used to, as well as what you like.

My favorite place for almost all guitars is not on the neck, but on the side of the body where the original poster's guitar has the wooden block.

Why do I like it there?? I dunno, maybe it has something to do with being short, yet built like a beer truck..... :lol:

Seriously, strap buttons on the bottom of the heel will 'flip' a guitar away from me, but buttons that are in the body (like the new Guilds), will position a guitar so it's 'just right'. In fact, that's one of the reasons I bought Scratch's '07 D55 (Padnah) back in October. I knew the strap button was at the optimum place for me.

A lot of Guild's have round, thin heels, plus a lot of Guild's have short dovetails that you can't see from the outside [folks, I don't know if this is just the '60's guitars that I've seen the necks off of over the years, like my '69 D35, or if applies to guitars from the later decades as well, I kind of think I've seen a neck like that from the '80's or '90's as well.]. As a result, if you put a strap pin into the lower part of a round, thin neck heel, if it has a 'short dove-tail', you may be running a pin through the 'heel extension' alone. To me, that is an incredibly weak part of the heel to be messing with.

In fact, we have a member here who had a '60's 312 that had a strap pin crack at the heel; it can happen, folks!!!

Anyway, if I had new Guild with the wooden block already in place, I'd put the button there, if only because most people will expect it to be there. That way, if you ever have to sell your guitar (it happens, doesn't it?), you have less of a story to tell.
 

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The GADs have it right, IMHO. The strap button is screwed through the body into a small block on the inside of the bass bout of the guitar, right beside the neck block. The stress and weight are taken by the block, not by the body; the strap attaches above the heel so the weight hangs down, not with the twisting leverage from a connection on the heel or on the bottom side; there is no danger of cracking/splitting/screwing up the heel.
 

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Steelpickin' said:
and PLEASE drill a pilot hole :) easiest way to tell the size if its not stated is to just hold a drill bit up in front of the screw and match it to the size of the screws shaft..( not the shaft plus the threads)..
I am sure others will chime in who know much more than I but thats how I do it. :D

...also I checked out your myspace link..nice stuff!....and I love your avatar of young Hank Williams!!


Tapered drill bits are the ticket for drilling pilot holes for screws. Relatively expensive compared to straight bits but they are the right tool for the job. (inexpensive import tapered bits are available at places like Harbor Freight Tool)


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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... umber=7608

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I guess I am in the minority because I like to attach my strap button into the bottom of the heel (Like the D55 had originally). I install a Dunlop Strap lock into the bottom of the heel and set up a strap with the other half of the strap-lock.

I admit, they do tend to tip if you let go of the guitar and just let it hang. I hold onto my guitars for dear life. I've seen too many broken headstocks.

To me the worse possible place to install a strap button is on the heel facing towards the headstock. They look ugly there and get in the way.

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