Starfire III reaches its final form

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I just got back one of my favorites from having some work done. I got this about 15 years ago through Ebay from a pawnshop in Philadelphia that I previously used to visit when I lived there for a couple of years ('89-'91); the only piece of music gear I bought in that period of low cash flow was a silverface Vibro Champ from the same place, for about $175. It was cheap because it had an ugly headstock break repair, and one of the old beveled top DeArmonds in the neck and a white Dynasonic in the bridge. It's marked as a Special (presumably because of the DeArmonds, which I assume were originally both Dynas, and the Grovers). The color is ebony, but it's faded to more of a green; in fact it's more green than my emerald green T100D, which in turn looks black in almost any lighting (?!).

I had my trusted guy re-do the headstock repair - he actually added a layer of new wood to the back of the headstock, but transplanted the original wood where the serial number was impressed - and refin the neck to hide the evidence. It turned out great, it's hard to see the repair now even if you know it is there. Of course, that's only possible with a dark translucent color or a solid color refin. I have the pickguard somewhere, but prefer it off.

I played it that way for years, and had a melita bridge on it for a long time, but it's just been tweaked with a string thru Bigsby axle, a low tension spring, a Duane style handle, a correct beveled top bridge pickup that I bought as a spare years ago, and I've gone back to the original Bigsby aluminum bridge. When I had that bridge on before, I remember thinking it was too bright and zingy, but it's sounding great now. Maybe I had roundwounds on it back then ?

The Bigsby now works better than any I have tried, and the two matching pickups work great together (unsurprisingly). This one seems to have more low mids than the Dyna; then again, the magnets are in the middle of the pickup, I might have gotten a similar effect by flipping the Dyna where they are closer to one side than the other. It will never be a high dollar collectible due to the repair, but as a playa, I couldn't be happier. (Except when it feeds back.)
 

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What a beauty! Love the black! I couldn't clearly find out what pickups are in now?

If you want to get rid of the pickguard, I'm very interested :cool:. I will start a restoration of a Starfire III soon and am missing the Guard.
 

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What a beauty! Love the black! I couldn't clearly find out what pickups are in now?

If you want to get rid of the pickguard, I'm very interested :cool:. I will start a restoration of a Starfire III soon and am missing the Guard.

Those are the pickups on page 31 of Hans' book, in the middle. No one seems to know there original model number, but it's like a model 210 acoustic pickup walked into a model 2000 mounting ring. At first glance you might think they are the 2000/Dynas, but there is only one row of visible parts on top instead of two, because these use flathead screw receiving caps on the alnico slug magnets while the 2000 uses smaller steel screws to height adjust a tab connected to the bottom of each slug magnet.

You can see them on the blonde Guilds on the covers of "Dance with the Guitar Man" and "Twistin and Twangin" by Duane Eddy. Probably "Girls Girls Girls" also but they're harder to see.

They sound similar to the Dynas. I want to say I like them a little better than Dynas, but I haven't done a side by side comparison on an otherwise identical guitar, so it could be delusion on my part. They turn up on some other makes aside from Guild, from the late 50s early 60s time frame.

I always keep my parts (and often acquire spares), but, you do have the option of getting one of those clear original pickguards that have been around ebay and reverb recently (clear because they were never sprayed on the back), and spraying the black coat and having the pickup holes cut.
 

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Those are the pickups on page 31 of Hans' book, in the middle. No one seems to know there original model number, but it's like a model 210 acoustic pickup walked into a model 2000 mounting ring. At first glance you might think they are the 2000/Dynas, but there is only one row of visible parts on top instead of two, because these use flathead screw receiving caps on the alnico slug magnets while the 2000 uses smaller steel screws to height adjust a tab connected to the bottom of each slug magnet.

You can see them on the blonde Guilds on the covers of "Dance with the Guitar Man" and "Twistin and Twangin" by Duane Eddy. Probably "Girls Girls Girls" also but they're harder to see.

They sound similar to the Dynas. I want to say I like them a little better than Dynas, but I haven't done a side by side comparison on an otherwise identical guitar, so it could be delusion on my part. They turn up on some other makes aside from Guild, from the late 50s early 60s time frame.

I always keep my parts (and often acquire spares), but, you do have the option of getting one of those clear original pickguards that have been around ebay and reverb recently (clear because they were never sprayed on the back), and spraying the black coat and having the pickup holes cut.
Thanks a lot for the tips. Where did you find those pickups if I may ask? Original dearmonds cost a small fortune these days unfortunately.

I will dive into those clear pickguards. Haven’t seen them on reverb yet.
 

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Thanks a lot for the tips. Where did you find those pickups if I may ask? Original dearmonds cost a small fortune these days unfortunately.

I will dive into those clear pickguards. Haven’t seen them on reverb yet.
It's been a while, but probably ebay. To be clear, when I got the guitar it had a beveled top in the neck and a white dyna in the bridge, now I've got a matching beveled top in the bridge- this is most likely not the original type that was on the guitar when it was made, but it is visually and sonically consistent, and a fun talking point to a fan of this era from Guild.

I've got a single pickup Premier Bantam with the same beveled top pickup. It has bad neck binding unfortunately, but the neck is a nice baseball bat style and the pickup sounds great. I've seen a Regal with the same pickup, except black plastic.

This is the reverb listing. They've been on ebay also, that's where I got one (not sure if it's the same guy). I was thinking it might look cool on this Starfire, just left clear, with the cutouts for pickups added.

 

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And extra points for the Ampeg Jet with the green jewel lamp! (y)
Thanks. Since all my Guilds are from Hoboken, I like to think of my various Guild/Ampeg combos as old school New Jersey... even though this particular Ampeg was from when they were in Woodside NY prior to the move to Linden NJ in '62.

There are a lot of cool old Ampegs, but I especially like the ones with 6V6 or 6L6 power tubes for their tweed - ish sounds. I have a lot of amps (it's kind of a problem) but this Jet has been recorded more than any other.
 

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i would love to see the headstock repair, and hear this bluesabilly machine!!

if you come back to philly and do a show, LMK!!
 

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i would love to see the headstock repair, and hear this bluesabilly machine!!

if you come back to philly and do a show, LMK!!
Here's the best pic out of several tries with a flash. The flash kept coming back at me. You really have to be in bright sunlight right up close to see the lines where the new wood meets old. All the wood on the back of the headstock other than the serial number impression, and the volute, is newer. The Grovers are original. In this shot it looks like there is a line where the finish is darker to the right, but that's just a photo artifact of some kind.

I'm not sure if I'm likely to make it back for a gig (my last one there was in '91 !) but maybe for a beer one day.

cheers
 

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