Soundhole p/u in an old Martin

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Been looking for an alternative for live work with my '43 Martin 0-18. It mics up very well, but I find it very hard to work with that on stage. So have been looking at acoustic/electrics for awhile, also researching soundhole p/us.

Last time I tried a soundhole p/u with this guitar was 20 years ago. It was a single coil of some sort. Pretty sound, but as soon as it got near loud enough to work with, lots of feedback. Lots more choices now. That one that intrigued me most was the Baggs M80 p/u, can be set for active or passive operation. In active mode, claimed to not need any separate preamp. Also claimed to be feedback resistant. And comes with a volume control on the p/u itself, such a great idea.

Installed it the other night, carefully and nervously. No way I want to harm the delicate wood around the soundhole. Not the easiest thing, but got it done. Ran the cable out the hole, over the top and around the back of the neck. Once again, no way I'd mod this to incorporate that plug end as the endpin, which really is the better way.

Plugged into my regular electric rig - TIM, Skreddy Echo, Texotica outboard reverb, plugged into a Valvetech VAC 22 head and 1x12 cab. Turned the amp master way down, which channel volumes less than half, anticipating runaway feedback.

At about halfway up on the p/u volume, it's a really pretty sound. More or less just a bigger version of the sweet and loud tone I've always loved in this old Martin. The real surprise was when I turned up. Went from pretty to primitive, swampy. Playing in open D, with slide, that raw edge and power I've always heard in Elmore James (and others) is right here. Dig in harder, or vary the right hand and slide up higher, there's this dense overdrive, with just a touch of feedback, just enough to let the notes swell and hold. It's addictive! Can't wait to try this live

I"d never even thought about playing higher volume, trying for an overdriven sound. What a pleasant surprise. If you get a chance to try this p/u - and are open to the more electric side of acoustic sounds - don't pass it up.
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This '43 Martin was maybe my luckiest find. 35 years ago, hanging by a string in the furthest back room at an otherwise all electric, all pointy guitar shop in NJ. Some guy had traded it in on a guitar. The idiot staff clearly couldn't care less about such a thing. I strummed it once, heard that amazing sound and spent the whole day borrowing the (really low) price for it. They didn't even have a case. Only years later, having the neck reset at Mandolin brothers, did I learn more about it. No bushings on the tuners, wartime metal restrictions. No metal truss rod, same reason. So Martin fashioned a rectangular rosewood bar and set it into the neck instead. Not adjustable. Which helps to explain the unique aliveness and volume of this guitar ... the whole thing vibrates when you play it.

Just dumb luck. I'm so happy I found this thing.
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I'm still dumb, rarely so lucky. Rereading this thread, realized there's a mistake. The truss rod is ebony, not rosewood.
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OK, gotta take a pic of this little lovely. I'll get back to you.
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Birth year for me also, unfortunately Martins and Gibsons from that time frame get pretty pricey. I once bid on a J45 from that year, had a four piece back if I recollect. It was pretty early in my resurrected guitar adventure, and it got away from me fast. Fortunately it did so, instead of a wooden truss rod, in '43 Gibson went to the "baseball bat" neck. Handy in barroom fights, but next to unplayable for me. An 0-18 is a really neat guitar, Martin 17s are about the only somewhat affordable ones from that era now.

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Crappy pics, but you get the idea. Here's the 0-18 with Baggs p/u installed:

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And headstock detail. No bushings on the tuner pegs:

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It's a featherweight guitar, which makes the volume all the more surprising.
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thanks for the positive comments. I am in love with this thing. It is, as I so often hear good acoustics described, a "cannon". Meaning it's loud. But more than that, it has the most beautiful sound, and complete balance string to string. I've never played another guitar quite like it.

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mad dog said:
thanks for the positive comments. I am in love with this thing. It is, as I so often hear good acoustics described, a "cannon". Meaning it's loud. But more than that, it has the most beautiful sound, and complete balance string to string. I've never played another guitar quite like it.

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Funny. Somebody in another thread said they have never played a balanced Martin. :roll:
 
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