Someone school me on X-170's

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I went to look at this today. I see X-170T's, and X-170 Manhattans. Some have lyre tailpieces, some have Guildsbys. Some have just one selector switch, some have selector switches on both the upper and lower bouts. I'm assuming that the thinner bodied ones are the "T"s and the thicker bodied ones are Manhattans. Is this correct? Does the Guildsby come on both the T and the Manhattan models? Do either one have a block? I'm no jazzer, but I played that one unplugged and liked it. Not sure what I would do with it if I bought it. The shop owner was positive that that one was completely original and seemed annoyed when I pointed out that the neck pickup was a bridge pickup flipped.
 

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As far as I know, they're all thinline, they don't have a block, but something between a smallish block and a very heavy duty soundpost in the bridge area, and the T stands for a Bigsby model.
 

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K.O.M.A. said:
I went to look at this today.

Hello K.O.M.A.,

That's a 'Mars' version from the year 2000. It has a coil tap switch on the cutaway bout.


The shop owner was positive that that one was completely original and seemed annoyed when I pointed out that the neck pickup was a bridge pickup flipped.

He was right! Those are the Fender humbuckers and they have the pickup 'tilt screws' on both sides; only the fingerboard position pickup mounting ring was turned 180 degrees, so the 'tilt screws' are now on the opposite site.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

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Mine had the rings in that layout as well. You can see it in the pic below.

I've never seen them of different thicknesses, but that means nothing other than I may be sheltered. :)

This is a "T" in orange. It's the MARS model that Hans mentioned, and this one (an early model) has both switches on the top bout. Later ones have the coil tap on the bottom (A much better arrangement IMO). I really wish they had put a master volume on the lower bout. Also, the coil tap switch was a very odd piece of hardware that I think might be hard to replace. Mine was intermittent, but it worked after I cleaned it out.

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This is a "regular" X170 in Blonde

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In my hands, the X170 is really more of a jazz guitar than anything else. Comparing the MARS version with the Gretsch 6120 I had, the Gretsch was much lighter and much more lively. The X170 was more bassy - more "jazzy" sounding, if there is such a thing. The X170 has a sound post which I think deaden's the top a bit. My Gretsch had trestle bracing which I think was a little less dampening.

The build quality is top-notch, as with all Guilds I've ever held. I loved the necks and the playability on both of them, but the X170T never really produced the Setzer-esq tones I was chasing, so I sold it off. I miss it, but I get my Guildsby action these days from my SFIII-90 which gets me closer to that sound than the X170T ever did.

That orange MARS Guild was one of the most eye-catching guitars I've ever owned. Everyone who saw it commented on it.
 
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There used to be some YouTube videos of people playing killer blues with the X-170, but sadly they are no longer around. While the X-170 isn't a gretsch I find it to be one of the most versatile models Guild had ever made, and excels at jazz and blues.
 

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I have a "T" model as well, and I use it for jazz, rock, rockabilly, country... it's a beautiful guitar that sounds good clean and dirty.
 

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Hello K.O.M.A.,

That's a 'Mars' version from the year 2000. It has a coil tap switch on the cutaway bout.




He was right! Those are the Fender humbuckers and they have the pickup 'tilt screws' on both sides; only the fingerboard position pickup mounting ring was turned 180 degrees, so the 'tilt screws' are now on the opposite site.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
That'll teach me to open my big mouth! Although in my defense, I had looked at several others online like this one that looked similar with the pickups the other way. He was annoyed, but was cool about it
 

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When I said "thinner" models, I meant that I see them sometimes described as X-170 "Thinline" and assumed they were thinner than the Manhattan. Just to clarify, I've seen ads for X170 Manhattans, X-170 Thinlines, and X-170T's. Some have Guildsbys, some don't. So y'all are saying that the "T" designation just means Guildsby?
 

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Hans will probably set us straight, but the way I understood it is as follows :

-the "Manhattan" name originally belongs to the X175 model. This is a full-size, full-depth archtop, made from the 50's well into the 70's or 80's. (?)

-The X170, if I recall correctly, was at least at one point called the "mini-Manhattan", probably meaning "thinner version of the X175, otherwise very similar". I don't know if that changed into "Manhattan" period at some point, it might have. I do know that somewhere in Westerly history the X175 became the "X150D", it might have lost its Manhattan tag at that point.
 

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When I said "thinner" models, I meant that I see them sometimes described as X-170 "Thinline" and assumed they were thinner than the Manhattan. Just to clarify, I've seen ads for X170 Manhattans, X-170 Thinlines, and X-170T's. Some have Guildsbys, some don't. So y'all are saying that the "T" designation just means Guildsby?

Probably T = "Tremelo" I used to think the T meant "Tennessee Orange", but then I was politely shown one of these:

https://reverb.com/item/39317-guild-x-170-t-manhattan-x170t-2000-blonde-natural-flamey

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Man, all this X170 talk is making me wish I had one again...
 
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