I do limit myself to a small soundhole whiff. You wouldn't need an airport dog to sniff it out.
i believe German and Adirondack are the same as Engleman.As I delve deeper into acoustics and archtops I’m seeing more distinctions that I don’t understand. Today’s ignorance is spruce.
I’ve seen mentioned (likely not an exhaustive list):
Spruce
Engelmann Spruce
European spruce
German spruce
Adirondack spruce
Sitka spruce
Please help this aging rocker understand the benefits/drawbacks of each and feel free to fill in any I’ve missed.
Thanks!
No, they’re not. While Adirondack and Italian and German are called red spruce, they are distinctly different. (And Englemann is completely different.)i believe German and Adirondack are the same as Engleman.
i like sitka!!
Gotta admit I used to think Engelmann must be European simply due to the name, was surprised when I found out it's actually native to western North America.No, they’re not. While Adirondack and Italian and German are called red spruce, they are distinctly different. (And Englemann is completely different.)
Adirondack is Picea rubens
Italian, German, and Carpathian is Picea Excelsa o Picea Abies (and the location has an effect on the final product.)
Englemann is Picea englemannii
Species matter. When I was doing bonsai, many years ago, a senior member of our club always insisted that we know the latin species name, because vendors could call a tree species any popular name they wanted, but the Latin, you can’t fudge.
Back to school for you! Read all the links posted on page one...i believe German and Adirondack are the same as Engleman.
I still have one set left of Val di Fiemme Italian Spruce.Back to school for you! Read all the links posted on page one...
And like this: https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?threads/for-all-you-wood-geeks.206676/post-1938568
Ralf
No, they’re not. While Adirondack and Italian and German are called red spruce, they are distinctly different. (And Englemann is completely different.)
Adirondack is Picea rubens
Italian, German, and Carpathian is Picea Excelsa o Picea Abies (and the location has an effect on the final product.)
Englemann is Picea englemannii
Species matter. When I was doing bonsai, many years ago, a senior member of our club always insisted that we know the latin species name, because vendors could call a tree species any popular name they wanted, but the Latin, you can’t fudge.
Picea abies is the taxinomic name for most all of the European spruces, and they are all, technically, Norway Spruce. In the tonewood world, where they are grown has an effect, so that’s when you get German, Italian, Carpathian, etc. (I’ve never seen any used for tonewood actually come from Norway.) Picea excelsa is a subspecies of Abies, commonly used for the German and Italian varieties.Now I'm confused with the add on of; (and Carpathian is Picea Excelsa o Picea Abies) Please clarify, Picea Excelsa o
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Gary had no idea that spruce was a "pine/evergreen" tree! Have you never seen a blue spruce tree in a front yard?
I guess you really are new to acoustic flattops!
Picea excelsa is a subspecies of Abies, commonly used for the German and Italian varieties.
<veer>Actually not, it's not a subspecies. Picea excelsa is only a synonym for Picea abies. Picea excelsa is an obsolete scientific name, a so called illegitimate name.
Ralf
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It bothered the heck out of me when they started reclassifying dinosaurs. Everything I knew is now wrong
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It bothered the heck out of me when they started reclassifying dinosaurs. Everything I knew is now wrong
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Hehehe. And it never was.... apparently!Right, like telling me Pluto isn't a planet any more!
walrus
Hey, Chris,