Neal
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Born in 1958, and this explains a lot!
Relic rant
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adorshki
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I'm '56, and "Dazed and Confused" hi-lit everything that went wrong when jocks started smoking dope. "Brown Sugar" and "Smoke on the Water" were favorite anthems of my high school's beer busts. Jock rock. At least there were a few early progressive fans of Yes and Genesis that made it bearable.
Thank god I got caught smoking dope in the bathroom and put in an "accelerated program" that got me my diploma a year early.
Guildedagain
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ad, you're still a spring chicken ;[]
I got "dazed and confused" for the first time in someone's basement in Falls Church VA Xmas 1972, simultaneous intro to the bong and Led Zep II at the same, a very poweful life changing experience. Listening to A whole lotta love through good headphones is still an amazing experience for me.
I got "dazed and confused" for the first time in someone's basement in Falls Church VA Xmas 1972, simultaneous intro to the bong and Led Zep II at the same, a very poweful life changing experience. Listening to A whole lotta love through good headphones is still an amazing experience for me.
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I wouldn't go out of my way to buy a reliced instrument, but when I was buying a viola this model was easily the best-sounding one I tried and could afford, so that's what I have. On the one hand, it has a nice flame maple back and I wish the finish showed it off more rather than (IMO) distracting from it; on the other hand, the relicing makes some of the scratches I've put on it in the last 12 years less obvious.
By contrast, my violin is actually a century old, but I think it may have been reliced even when new. There are areas on the back where the gloss finish is mostly intact but the stain underneath looks like it's been worn away. So either it's been refinished, or people have been making and buying new instruments that look old for a while now.
By contrast, my violin is actually a century old, but I think it may have been reliced even when new. There are areas on the back where the gloss finish is mostly intact but the stain underneath looks like it's been worn away. So either it's been refinished, or people have been making and buying new instruments that look old for a while now.
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I'm not sure if it fits this discussion, but Martin (and others) have been offering torrefied soundboards (basically "baked") for a while. A lot of folks like the results. Arguably, this is "functional relicing" [not that relicing is a word, mind you... that's a whole 'nuther rant]. And, as Guilderland mentioned, the classical string instrument market appreciates relicing in a big way for both feel and aesthetics.
While I'm not the target market for a relic, I could certainly appreciating the desire to have a the feel of a worn-in instrument instead of a new one.
While I'm not the target market for a relic, I could certainly appreciating the desire to have a the feel of a worn-in instrument instead of a new one.
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I think several people have lost sight of or missed the point.
No one is complaining about playwear on a used instrument. No one is being accused of being a poser or anything similar if they buy a used instrument.
The rant is about brand new instruments that are artificially aged by the manufacturer and sold as new.
Whether a buyer of one of these brand new instruments is a poser or not is a nuanced decision since there are desirable functional features of artificially aged instrument such as sanded necks. If you buy a relic'd instrument and claim you did it for the sanded neck I won't call you a poser
Good thing Moderating veers is not typical
adorshki
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Born in '56. (High school) Class of '73. Think the first weed I smoked at the Fall '69 8th grade dance was spiked with DMT, called "acid weed", and never had anything like it since.
The big difference between class of '72 and class of '76 is nobody in "Dazed and Confused" had ever tried acid. It had basically disappeared before the jocks could trivialize it.
Guildedagain
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Ok, that makes more sense, you seemed too wise for someone in their 50's ;[]
There was another movie that came out around the same time as Dazed and Confused called Stoned Age. it was a little more under the radar, but absolutely nailed that time period, at least in So CAL.
It might not be available now, but if you come across it, it’s definitely worth a watch. It’s a hoot.
It might not be available now, but if you come across it, it’s definitely worth a watch. It’s a hoot.
PreacherBob
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Hyper relic
davidbeinct
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Class of ‘80. It definitely didn’t disappear.
adorshki
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'At's cause it actually had a comeback. Following the breakup of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love from about '74-'80 it was all garbage when there was any, at least here in CA, and reflected in High Times' "Market Reports". If it was pressed it was likely worthless, but blotter was least still pure, if weak.
My last trip with something man-made was in '82 after about an 8 year break, blotter, the hearsay was it as one of the original BEL chemists. Still much weaker dosing than what I experienced in '70 and '71 marketed as Orange Sunshine (which I believe, even though it is a mythical "brand name" but in retrospect it matched the descriptions of crudely pressed orange "barrels", as well as being on the south side end the SF Bay from where Scully and Sand originally operated) ) as well as "Window Pane", one of the earliest forms of blotter, when it would be mixed with gelatin and dried in sheets, then cut into squares.
https://belhistory.weebly.com/
My hypothesis is that quality took a severe hit after the DEA busted Scully and Sand, I also recall news a the time about early efforts to target "precursor" chemicals and suspect this may have also affected market quality of the period. Just recalled also cultivated psilocybin was just starting to come in, in some volume, ca '78. Maybe to fill the gap.
Also just recalled the mid-70's heralded the onset of the cocaine epidemic. For about 4 years there cocaine was actually easier to find than weed (remember the "Paraquat" scare?) and psychedelics were simply out of style and in low demand.
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adorshki
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My '20's was my "lost decade". Learned a lot. True wisdom lies on the pathway of excess.
Forgot most of it. Only remember the important stuff, like the minor scale.
In suburban Detroit, it was still around in '76. And when I was in high school between fall 1970 and spring 1974, our high school was like a pharmaceutical warehouse. You could get whatever you wanted to try... and too easily. This led to some pretty burned out individuals and some of them were dead by the time they were 50. There was a nasty side to it. Some people never gave up the "Party Down!!" attitude of excess.
Junior year, the "downers" hit the scene, big time... with some red pills that were just called "reds" and they were like 25 cents a piece. I'm not sure what they were, but they were causing ambulances to show nearly everyday on campus in the spring. I never tried them. I was always smart enough to observe before participating and what I saw of "downers" didn't appeal to me.
As for the Jocks, they pretty much stayed to alcohol when I was in high school and only a few started to dabble with weed senior year.
My 20's were my "straighten up and fly right years". I moved from Michigan to California at 22, in part to disconnect from all that. I think I was stoned enough my Freshman and Sophomore years to last anyone a lifetime.
My turning point came one Monday sitting in the commons hall at high school telling a friend about this fantastic concert I had seen that weekend and they said "Yeah, I know, man, I was sitting in the next seat." I hadn't even remembered that they went to the concert with me. It was a time to rethink things for me.
Sure there was plenty of crappy blotter and microdot floating around, but there was also plenty of great green pyramid gel, decent blotter (100+mcg) and liquid c. 1980 if you knew where to look.
This is an interesintg veer from relic'd guitars to the relic'd brains of certian LTGers... 
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mavuser
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This is an interesintg veer from relic'd guitars to the relic'd brains of certian LTGers...
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Guildedagain
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Wow, same here. I got a GED in '78, and started college in '88. I don't remember a lot of what happened in those 10 years, except for a whole lotta guitar playin.