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I have started recording some of my original songs, and have been doing some multi-tracking to "fatten up" the sound.

It occurred to me that adding a 12-string to the mix on some of the songs might sound cool.

Anyone got a 12-string propped against a wall or under a bed that they do not play? It doesn't have to be fancy, or in particularly good cosmetic shape. It does have to play well.
 

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One alternative for recording would be to string a 6 string in Nashville tuning, i.e. the octave strings of a 12 replacing strings 3-6, than recording the same part on a regular and the re-strung guitars. Supposedly gives a good imitation of a 12, never tried it myself.
 

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Not sure if you've already found one or not, but if you're looking for an electric, I would highly recommend a Danelectro DC12. If you're looking for an acoustic, I might suggest trying an Alvarez. Having owned several value-priced 12ers, those are the two that stood out the most for me. Killer instruments for the money.
 

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New Guild 2512E....
Am I the only one that doesn't like them? So far I've played three, and I thought they were all junk. Yeah, the price is nice, but that's about it. I'd rather kick in another hundred or two and find a decent D25-12 or the like.
 

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That is precisely the decision I just made, Sandy. I have made arrangements to purchase a 1994 JF-30-12 (a big beautiful blonde) from another LTG member. I am delighted. NGD to follow.
Well done, gents!
 

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Am I the only one that doesn't like them? So far I've played three, and I thought they were all junk. Yeah, the price is nice, but that's about it. I'd rather kick in another hundred or two and find a decent D25-12 or the like.
I did a back to back with two at GC a few weeks back, really liked one, the other was meh.
 

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I did a back to back with two at GC a few weeks back, really liked one, the other was meh.
I've got to admit that the bar is pretty high around here, but after you won a F512 (especially a New Hartford one), most everything else pales by comparison. The three that I played had that tinny brittle sound that I just hate in a 12er. I know it's not fair to compare the two, but it's kinda hard not to.
 

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Am I the only one that doesn't like them? So far I've played three, and I thought they were all junk. Yeah, the price is nice, but that's about it. I'd rather kick in another hundred or two and find a decent D25-12 or the like.

I quite like my F2512 and I've plenty of classic Guild 12-strings to compare it to. (Except for the F-612, I've owned just about every jumbo 12-string that ever came out of Westerly. I still have many of them; just got my F-312 back from having its neck reset in fact.)

I think the guitar sounds quite good, and I don't mean "quite good for the price."

OK, its sound is not quite on par with the best of the Westerlys -- I don't want to stick my neck out too far! -- but I do think it sounds better than the dreadnaught Guild 12s I've had, including the one D25-12 I owned. (Actually I prefer the sound of my D15-12 to the D25-12 I sold.)

IMO the F2512 possesses qualities that compensate for whatever it may lack in sound, not that it lacks much. (The low end is nice and rich for instance.) The neck and fingerboard I find more comfortable and easier to navigate than on the classic models -- barre chords up and down the neck are easier to play -- and I find that the intonation is truer than on some of my Westerlys.

The one I have I bought for a song shortly after the model was first introduced. (No pickup, no cutaway.) The only change I made was to replace the original tuners with Grover 18:1s, otherwise it's exactly as I got it -- I didn't even have to adjust the saddle or truss rod, unususl for me since I tune so low.

I have no idea if the specs have changed since mine was made, or how well how it'll hold up over time. (It is very lightweight and has a satin or hand-rubbed finish, which may not protect it as well as a nitro finish would.)

But several years later it's still going strong and I really enjoy spending time with it. I can play it for an hour or two with no fatigue.
 

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I quite like my F2512 and I've plenty of classic Guild 12-strings to compare it to. (Except for the F-612, I've owned just about every jumbo 12-string that ever came out of Westerly. I still have many of them; just got my F-312 back from having its neck reset in fact.)

I think the guitar sounds quite good, and I don't mean "quite good for the price."

OK, its sound is not quite on par with the best of the Westerlys -- I don't want to stick my neck out too far! -- but I do think it sounds better than the dreadnaught Guild 12s I've had, including the one D25-12 I owned. (Actually I prefer the sound of my D15-12 to the D25-12 I sold.)

IMO the F2512 possesses qualities that compensate for whatever it may lack in sound, not that it lacks much. (The low end is nice and rich for instance.) The neck and fingerboard I find more comfortable and easier to navigate than on the classic models -- barre chords up and down the neck are easier to play -- and I find that the intonation is truer than on some of my Westerlys.

The one I have I bought for a song shortly after the model was first introduced. (No pickup, no cutaway.) The only change I made was to replace the original tuners with Grover 18:1s, otherwise it's exactly as I got it -- I didn't even have to adjust the saddle or truss rod, unususl for me since I tune so low.

I have no idea if the specs have changed since mine was made, or how well how it'll hold up over time. (It is very lightweight and has a satin or hand-rubbed finish, which may not protect it as well as a nitro finish would.)

But several years later it's still going strong and I really enjoy spending time with it. I can play it for an hour or two with no fatigue.
Good to know that there's good ones out there Glenn, and I may have to try yours if we ever have another LTG meet-up. The three that I tried were nothing like what you described.
 

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Am I the only one that doesn't like them? So far I've played three, and I thought they were all junk. Yeah, the price is nice, but that's about it. I'd rather kick in another hundred or two and find a decent D25-12 or the like.
Just took delivery of a D25-12 and I must say I'm impressed, even though there isn't much saddle left and the bridge pin holes have widened over time. It reminds me of the tone and growl of a F-512 RW. I used to hold a bonehead opinion about D25s. Now have been converted.
 

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I quite like my F2512 and I've plenty of classic Guild 12-strings to compare it to. (Except for the F-612, I've owned just about every jumbo 12-string that ever came out of Westerly. I still have many of them; just got my F-312 back from having its neck reset in fact.)

I think the guitar sounds quite good, and I don't mean "quite good for the price."

OK, its sound is not quite on par with the best of the Westerlys -- I don't want to stick my neck out too far! -- but I do think it sounds better than the dreadnaught Guild 12s I've had, including the one D25-12 I owned. (Actually I prefer the sound of my D15-12 to the D25-12 I sold.)

IMO the F2512 possesses qualities that compensate for whatever it may lack in sound, not that it lacks much. (The low end is nice and rich for instance.) The neck and fingerboard I find more comfortable and easier to navigate than on the classic models -- barre chords up and down the neck are easier to play -- and I find that the intonation is truer than on some of my Westerlys.

The one I have I bought for a song shortly after the model was first introduced. (No pickup, no cutaway.) The only change I made was to replace the original tuners with Grover 18:1s, otherwise it's exactly as I got it -- I didn't even have to adjust the saddle or truss rod, unususl for me since I tune so low.

I have no idea if the specs have changed since mine was made, or how well how it'll hold up over time. (It is very lightweight and has a satin or hand-rubbed finish, which may not protect it as well as a nitro finish would.)

But several years later it's still going strong and I really enjoy spending time with it. I can play it for an hour or two with no fatigue.

I'm with ya Glenn. I don't profess to be fount of knowledge when it comes to 12 strings but I will say a F 1212 all Hog I purchased recently is really quite good.

In fact, since I play 12 string so little, I'm thinking of selling my G-312 and JF 55-12 and replace them with the lower priced imports. I'll likely hold onto my F-412 though.
 

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I'm with ya Glenn. I don't profess to be fount of knowledge when it comes to 12 strings but I will say a F 1212 all Hog I purchased recently is really quite good.

In fact, since I play 12 string so little, I'm thinking of selling my G-312 and JF 55-12 and replace them with the lower priced imports. I'll likely hold onto my F-412 though.

I got my JF65-12 out for string change and a couple hours of play this past week and -- yow! -- couldn't agree more.

I sold my F512 some years ago, but I don't see myself letting this baby go any time soon. A Guild "Best of Show" for me.
 
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