Squwak, sh.......you were almost there at the beginning of computing. Punch cards and RPG and Cobol were the real deals, with some Fortran thrown in then some PL1 and did I hear someone say don't forget APL, Pascal, ADA, Lisp, and go Forth! I remember the first computer virus put on a 360 with punch cards that had that play a musical beat using the Tape doors, running the data tapes on and off and then finally for the end, erased everything and blew out the punch cards. Darn, those were good old days, then I programed for Mattel, Atari. Gee....I wasn't even thinking about those days. Now for the $64,000 question, this one will only be known by those who where there. What is the relationship between Atari and Amgia computers? 8)