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Hi All, I've got a query on the polishing of a Satin finished guitar. I've got a D-4 and a D-412 that are both in Flat/Satin finish. (natural of course) I've read or heard that you can polish until the finish is shiny. Is this true and if it is, would it effect the sound/tone?

Thanks in advance for any and all responses. Limmy
 

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Folks have used some automotive products in the past with mild abrasives to polish out satin finishes to a gloss. Sometimes the results are great, other times flaws in the wood become more obvious.

Scratch-X, a compound with rapidly deteriorating abrasives is a readily-available one (Wal-Mart, etc.), but I've been told that recently they started putting silicone into the mixture. Silicone is bad for guitar repair because it is very difficult to get rid of and prevents adhesives from working properly if it actually gets on to the raw wood. I don't know how significant that is. I wouldn't worry if you're just doing the back of the guitar, say, since there's very little reason to think about repair of the exterior there.

I think there are other products that don't have silicone. "Fast-Cut" (or something like that) was bandied about on the Acoustic Guitar Forum as a great product for this.

Personally, I don't like satin on the back of a guitar because it makes noise when it shifts against your body. On the other hand, I very much *do* like a satin neck.
 

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I know the "polish to gloss" thing works for Martins etc. But I've owned a couple of Guilds with satin finishes and they seem to be a different animal (with only Seagull being similar) and I'm not sure how well they'd take to hardcore buffing. The finishes are hand-rubbed, not sprayed and that may have something to do with it.

Mind you, I could be completely wrong on this!

-Chris
 

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plaidseason said:
I know the "polish to gloss" thing works for Martins etc. But I've owned a couple of Guilds with satin finishes and they seem to be a different animal (with only Seagull being similar) and I'm not sure how well they'd take to hardcore buffing. The finishes are hand-rubbed, not sprayed and that may have something to do with it.

Mind you, I could be completely wrong on this!

-Chris
Oh, that's a good point, Chris!! I was talking about satin polyurethane or nitrocellulose finishes. The hand-rubbed or french polish finishes probably wouldn't gloss up very well (if at all). I don't know.
 

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Never tried to buff an intentionally made satin finish to a gloss.

I'm a long-time user of Meguair's Stratch-X on nitro finishes. But I've come across a product that I think is better, Guitar Scratch Remover.

I ordered a couple of their kits in the silicone-free version, they work very well for the intended purpose - but I've no idea how effective any straight polish would be on a satin finish.
 

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Thanks for all the replies. The guitars in question are a D-4 and a D-412. I'll probably not touch them with any polishes as they are in quite good condition. I was just pondering having a shiny guitar. I just bought a GAD 25 and it is very shiny Mahogany. Limmy
 

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Limmy, I think both of those axes are nitro-finished. You should be fine giving this a try on one of them. If you're concerned about the results, pick one small spot and buff it out and see. The advantage of a gloss is that you won't hear that "swish-swish" noise against a shirt when you wear the guitar. IMO, gloss shows off the wood much better too (cosmetic), but of course that's all a matter of taste.

If you saw an "HR" or something like that on the label, that'd be another story, but I think you're safe buffing out a standard nitrocellulose spray finish.
 

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john_kidder said:
Never tried to buff an intentionally made satin finish to a gloss.

I'm a long-time user of Meguair's Stratch-X on nitro finishes. But I've come across a product that I think is better, Guitar Scratch Remover.

I ordered a couple of their kits in the silicone-free version, they work very well for the intended purpose - but I've no idea how effective any straight polish would be on a satin finish.


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Does this product do what I think it does?

-Chris
 

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plaidseason said:
But I've owned a couple of Guilds with satin finishes.... The finishes are hand-rubbed, not sprayed and that may have something to do with it.

Mind you, I could be completely wrong on this!

-Chris


Hi Chris,

Hand-rubbed finish (HR) was/ is kind of waxy paste that was applied in multiple coats over a period of time.
The Satin finish was sprayed on (just as lacquer or poly). Some sort of weird agent thingy interacted as the finish would dry to become a low-sheen (satin) finish.
 

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hideglue said:
plaidseason said:
But I've owned a couple of Guilds with satin finishes.... The finishes are hand-rubbed, not sprayed and that may have something to do with it.

Mind you, I could be completely wrong on this!

-Chris


Hi Chris,

Hand-rubbed finish (HR) was/ is kind of waxy paste that was applied in multiple coats over a period of time.
The Satin finish was sprayed on (just as lacquer or poly). Some sort of weird agent thingy interacted as the finish would dry to become a low-sheen (satin) finish.


Wow thanks for the insight. Dumb question, how can I tell which finish I have on my DV4. Do I assume that if it doesn't say HR, that's is sprayed on? Or no?

-Chris
 

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I've shared this before, but, the guys who love those Les Paul faded models swear by Virtuoso Guitar Polish. It dosen't exactly gloss up the finish, it gives it a sheen similar to an old lacquer finish which is thinned but still good like and old 'burst. I've seen it and it gives a very attractive result. Don't know how the D4 and Les Paul Faded finishes compare but thought you might like to know.
 

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Hey, thanks again for the responses. I looked tonight and my D-4 has the letters HR after the NT D-4. I better be happy with what I've got and not worry about polishing. I'll check the 12er tomorrow night when I've got more time. I guess I'll just have to start looking for a shiny Guilder for the future. Limmy
 
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