aamapes
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When did Guild stop using the plastic and pearl logo headstock? Chicago Music Exchange has a 60's F20 they claim has a 70's neck, but it looks like the plastic headstock to me.
Don't think they can make tortoise out of of fiber.Do they still use celluloid for pickguards, Chris? I didn't think modern pickguards were subject to shrinkage but maybe I'm wrong about that.
I do not know, but I think it would be interesting to find out....Do you know if the fiber came later?
That would make sense, but I don't know....Perhaps they moved to it because of the plastic shrinkage.
Charlie, I believe the pickguards of today are made from assorted resins and dyes and are much more stable than the plastic of yesteryear. Additionally, builders no longer apply the finish over the top of the pickguard but, rather, attach the pickguard atop the finish. I don't use pickguards on my own instruments, and only a few my Guilds still have pickguards....Do they still use celluloid for pickguards, Chris? I didn't think modern pickguards were subject to shrinkage but maybe I'm wrong about that.
Indeed. Maybe it was the groovy '60s that made them even consider building a headstock with a giant plastic veneer. Would be interesting to have been a fly on the wall to know what made them do that....
Charlie, I believe the pickguards of today are made from assorted resins and dyes and are much more stable than the plastic of yesteryear. Additionally, builders no longer apply the finish over the top of the pickguard but, rather, attach the pickguard atop the finish. I don't use pickguards on my own instruments, and only a few my Guilds still have pickguards.
Of course, the headstock materials are a different story...you *have* to apply the finish over the headstock. I use wood and wood veneers (glued directly to the neck material), as do most of the builders I know. I have no experience with plastics of any kind. I have seen Guilds that had the plastic headstock overlays that had shrunk away from the bindings - not pretty.
That would certainly be preferred, Tom. This material is a black paper, about 1/8" thick, like an ultra-heavy card stock, very much devoid of resin. The tiniest drop of water on it and it will discolor and even bubble (ask me how I now - ;~}). It is extremely unpleasant to work with, at least for me, it is.Hey Christopher, are the paper laminated fiber ones similar to (or identical to) Richlite? Such a versatile product that's durable and resilient. Makes a decent fretboard material and I'd imagine it would be great on a headstock. You can mill it and work it just like wood. Just wondering if we're talking about the same type of product here. Resin and paper is way more stable than plastic in most uses.
Exactly.Indeed. Maybe it was the groovy '60s that made them even consider building a headstock with a giant plastic veneer. Would be interesting to have been a fly on the wall to know what made them do that.
Every last stinkin' one of 'em! LOLMy treasured Ibanez Artwood has a beautiful rosewood pickguard that was, indeed, applied prior to the finishing step. That's been stable without any problems since I bought it new as a teenager. Did Guild apply their pickguards before finishing on any of your axes, Chris? I was under the (possibly false) impression that Guild didn't do that.
There are two (known to me, anyway) methods for applying those "under the finish" pickguards:... Did Guild apply their pickguards before finishing on any of your axes, Chris? I was under the (possibly false) impression that Guild didn't do that.
This kicks off a whole new line of discussion about whether or not pickguards open up, and if so, does replacing or removing one devalue the instrument?Both methods end up melting the plastic into the wood. Then the lacquer gets sprayed over the whole thing.
This kicks off a whole new line of discussion about whether or not pickguards open up, and if so, does replacing or removing one devalue the instrument?
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Did they move the Date Line while I was sleeping?Just because it's your Monday, Al......
If you knew all that happened while you were asleep, you'd go right back to sleep.Did they move the Date Line while I was sleeping?
It's a Service Industry thing, Al. Hotels, restaurants, places like that. Weekends are very busy times and hardly anyone gets them off so, it becomes a thing. We all talk about MY Monday or MY Friday because they're different for everyone. I'll go to Happy Hour this afternoon and it will be SOMEONE'S Friday. So, that's my explanation. Most of the world works M-F so, it's different for you.Did they move the Date Line while I was sleeping?
Isn't it Monday everywhere east of the line right now?