OMG what the hell did I just buy ;]]]

[geoguy]

That Lego-style assembled box is hilarious, but appears to have been effective!

Maybe Meguiar's Scratch-X could help shine up the finish?

Cool guitar, it deserves a little love from you. I hope it works out.

 

[Guildedagain]

It's annoying, but seller is basically calling me a liar. The really odd thing about this is the '65 Dano that I have, I bought at a discount from a music store, the fairly deep discount was because the owner/tech didn't want to deal with trying to fix the damage done by someone who cleaned the front of the guitar with a brillo pad - all the way through the Coppertone paint - and went over the fingerboard with a wire brush, heavy wire brush strokes to the Brazilian rosewood, thankfully up and down, not side to side, but I didn't notice these til after I bought the guitar and took the strings off.

"We respectfully agree to disagree. We maintain the guitar was never cleaned. We have examined our pictures and yours for evidence of “abrasion” from a “scouring scrubber from the kitchen”. We do not see the extreme damage you refer to.

 

[geoguy]

Is it possible that the guitar was scuffed up during transit, inside the gig bag?

It may have been jostled around quite a bit, during its journey to your home.

 

[fronobulax]

If I am reading correctly there have been two different guitars that looked like they had been brillo'd correct? Is it possible that there is some manufacturing process or defect that would result in that look half a century later?

I'm only hearing one side of the story but if you told me something had been cleaned with a brillo pad I would get defensive and argumentative. But if you told me there were undisclosed scratches and abrasions, I might engage in conversation about what might have caused them and that did not involve you insisting someone had done something that I knew darn well they had not.

 

[Uke]

The case -- look at that case! Funky-Retro-Gladys Knight and the Pips all-dressed-up case there! The pics of the guitar take me back to Jr. High School. Our old local Sears downtown was the place Momma Allman bought Greg's (first ?) guitar, which Duane highjacked.

e quickly hig This all demonstrates how a guitar can stir up lots of emotion and memories -- and how it can send you running for the checkbook!

 

[Guildedagain]

The first guitar I mentioned was a Coppertone Dano was extensively scratched "with a brillo pad" was the actual description from the store trying to figure out how to deal with it, or not deal with it. I had to wait a year on buying the guitar because they weren't sure exactly what to do with it, it was a consignment/part of a large collection, but they ended up buying the lot.

This is about 15 years ago, and in no way has anything to do with how the Danelectro guitars left the factory. They had very fine finishes actually.

This here Silvertone was scrubbed by someone, you can see the banana shaped strokes where they went a little deeper with a sponge I suppose. Again, nothing to do with how the guitar left the Teisco factory. The fit/finish is otherwise suprisingly good for a 1965 made Japan electric guitar.

It was wrapped in ultra fine paper inside the gigbag, and I verified that this fine crepe paper can't scratch this finish. As well, the back of the necks somehow escaped the "cleaner's touch" completely, it's as glossy as when they sold the guitar new.

At the headstock, and back of the rather large headstock, cleaning scratches are in evidence, but under the strings it's as shiny as the day they sold it.

In the front of the guitar, the scratches/dulling goes around the bridge, around the PG, the sides and cutaway are unharmed.

This was definitely done by a person on a cleaning kick.

There's a reason why guitar manuals say to only "use dry cleaning cloth" and electronics/stereo/computer manuals says "use no harsh chemicals, use a damp paper towel", etc.

I've never seen this on a guitar before, one the back where there more area to "clean", it pretty much looks like someone went over it with fine wet or dry sandpaper, almost looks like the 1st stage of wet sanding. The camera can only barely capture the extent and depth of the dulling, and like I mentioned, Meguiars isn't doing much, even with fantastical applications of elbow grease. I take it this is a 50 year old Poly finish = hard.

The only way I can think of to get it buffed out is to take it apart down to the bare body, use Meguiars Fine Cut Cleaner with an electric buffer, followed by Meguiar's Cleaner Wax with electric buffer also.

A huge headache for a guitar I have/had no need for, other than it looked in the ad like in was plug n' play in "Time Capsule" condition.

Seller at this point is doing the old "I insist that you return it because you are clearly dissatisfied with the guitar" when actually I'm totally dissatisfied with the condition of the guitar, dissatisfied with the transaction, dissatisfied with this seller's refusal to admit that there is anything wrong with it.

Live and learn.

Ask all the right question, like "have you washed the gigbag with something that makes me sick to be around" or "has anyone used Bon Ami or Ajax on the guitar", etc, etc, the questions you never knew you needed to ask.

Caveat Emptor my friends.

The kicker of it all is I don't think it's ever been played before.

 

[SFIV1967]

Question. What about if this guitar was stored all the last 50 years in that "plastic" gig bag and simply the checmicals reacted with the lacquer?
Ralf

 

[Guildedagain]

The gigbag is actually velour lined, very nice. I've never seen any guitar hurt by a gigbag before. I wish they hadn't wrapped it in paper inside the gigbag to eliminate the paper from the equation, but the first thing I did upon seeing the finely dulled finish was try to rub the paint with the paper, and it was too smooth to do any harm. Besides, there are obvious cleaning arcs visible on the back, as well as in the front, the scratches go around the bridge, around the PG, around the tuners and none under the strings on the headstock.

 

[Bill Ashton]

I remember those guitars from the old LaFayette Radio catalog, back then pretty sure they were Teisco-branded...the fret markers would make me think the same thing. The "gold foil" p/u that it has was the same as my original Audition (Woolworth's) electric, and well as those branded as "Zim Gar." I am sure very common in the inexpensive electrics circa 1966 or so...

 

[Rambozo96]

I was pretty much resigned to never buying a guitar again the way prices are going, and then I saw her face.

OMG, wth, RARE BIRD alert!

And it's like mint with original gigbag, strap, strings, cord, and it is wild.

I've never seen one. I wasn't even aware of these.

It checked out, they exist. But most are double cutaway and this thing is totally missing the upper horn, neat.

Also the headstock is much more organically shaped than others I found pictures of.

I'm actually totally excited about this thing.

What a conversation piece, and it looks like it should be behind glass in a museum of rare funky guitars.

Enough blather, here tis.

Silvertone 1487 Electric Guitar 1964 -65 Brown | eBay

The guitar has a brown body, Teisco gold foil pickup and built amp and speaker. The guitar has been tested with an amp; it produces excellent sound. The guitar shows little to no signs of use.

www.ebay.com

An article covering these little know guitars.

Transistor-Saurus Rex: Vintage Guitars with Onboard Amps

Flash back to an era when 6-string beasts with names like Teisco, Silvertone, Hofner, Wandre, Cipher, and Maier (quietly) roared.

www.premierguitar.com

And a video displaying its charmingly gritty tone.

Like they wanted to outdo the amp in case Danelectro stuff. AMP IN GUITAR BROZ!

 

[Rambozo96]

Looking at those pics and the mention of them using soap makes me think they either used a greenie pad or an old rag that was a bit abrasive. That’s the sad thing about those antique stores is they usually know somewhere between jack and squat about guitars. I had a local antique store try to sell a cheap crappy Sears tele copy with a warped neck as a 60’s Fender.

 

[Guildedagain]

The built in amp doesn't work, you can hear a little static but no output. Sounds healthy through an amp though, fairly strong output.

+1 on the the greenie pad, or some kind of scouring pad.

 

[Guildedagain]

And another Silvertone, killer deal, excited, these are really really short scale and this same exact color was my 1st electric guitar in 1978, $200 at the local pawn shop. ;]

In reference to my troubles with owner inflicted damaged to Danos/Silvertones, you can see the high gloss on these fantastic little guitars in the pics. A bit orange peely, but very pleasing high gloss finish.

Vintage SILVERTONE Electric guitar MODEL 1448 Hard case with amplifier Working | eBay

<p>Vintage SILVERTONE Electric guitar MODEL 1448 Hard case with amplifier Working.</p><br><p>The guitar and amp are in working condition. The guitar does have a rubbed place on the bottom. And normal wear. Please look at all pictures. Playability Is typical of Silvertone guitars of this era...

www.ebay.com

 

[HeyMikey]

I suppose you could contact ebay and/or paypal to open a case for it not being as described.

 

[Guildedagain]

Nahhh, I'll just live with it.

 

[Sal]

eBay seller preparing guitar to ship:

 

[Rayk]

Can we see better pictures ?

 

[SFIV1967]

eBay seller preparing guitar to ship:

Ralf

 

[Guildedagain]

Damn, I love this place, like a ray of sunshine in a sometimes otherwise drab world ;]]]

 

[Guildedagain]

Can we see better pictures ?

Now that you mention it, look at the obviously dulled area right over the Silvertone logo in their 1st pic. Never paid it no mind, never even noticed it. Like I said, don't forget to ask all questions, like "Did you go over the guitar with Bon Ami on a scouring pad?"