Old Versus New... Does it REALLY Matter?

Walter Broes

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rhcole said:
Interesting that you guys like old Harmonys. When I was younger, they were snubbed, and I never played any that I thought were particularly good guitars. I see the reissues and think they look kinda' cool but still remember their moderate playability and so-so sound.

It's like next we'll see vintage Kents, or something.
I don't like all vintage Harmony guitars, but there are a couple of models of which I really wouldn't mind having a well-preserved unabused example.

There are a couple of things about some guitars a lot of people refer to as "junk" or "cheap crap".

-a lot of those guitars were never set up right, but càn be set up to play well. A lot of them were sold by the kind of store that had guitars "on the side", who wouldn't know how to set up a guitar, to kids who didn't have a clue how to set up a guitar.

-a lot of those guitars were treated very badly over the years because they were cheap and dispensable, so they lost whatever charm they might have inside them.

-define "good guitar". That's an extremely personal thing, and depends on what you're going to do with it, and what kind of music you're going to play on it. Through reading too many guitar magazines, a lot of people have started thinking of a good guitar being a versatile guitar you can tackle a lot of playing situations and musical styles with, and that's not my take on what makes a good guitar.


Those Harmony guitars might not be "quality instruments built to last" like equivalent era Gibsons, Epiphones, or indeed Guilds, but quite a few of them have outlasted a lot of other guitars, and they have a sound you can't get out of anything else.
People got so used to the recorded sounds of strats, Les Pauls, telecasters, D28's, J45's, Precision basses and other "classics", that the sound of these ugly ducklings really turns heads in comparison, as in "whoa! what is thàt!?!".

I love recording with guitars other than "classics", because they sound fresh in comparison. I'd rather do a two week, three sets a night-tour with one of my Guilds, because they're dependable, stable, and practical, but I love things like Kays, Danelectros, Hofners, Harmonies, Supros, etc.... to record with - and I've actually gigged my old Danelectros and my old Supro Dual Tone a lot more than I thought I would.

All it takes with a lot of these is a good setup - and sometimes that includes a refret, which a lot of people don't think worth the investment - something I fully understand...
 

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I have a couple of pups out of an old Teisco - a truly horrid guitar, but one of these days, they're going into a partscaster of some fashion. Those pups deserve to be surrounded with some decent wood.
You wonder how many of the millions of guitars that got pumped out by the low end manufacturers would still be around if they had managed to get the neck set right. :?

I have cooled off on the Gretsch love a little bit over the years, but I'd dearly love a reissue Tennesean. Of course, I'd rip the hilotrons out and pop some DeArmonds in. :wink:
 

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A lot of good coverage here but I'll just make a comment on carved top archtops. For laminated top archtops (CE-100s, X-175s, etc.) it's just about getting one that feels and plays good, it's meant to be amplified, because...it's a laminated.

Now, a carved top from the 40's , 50's, and sometimes 60's are in a different league. I'm referring to the more common Guild, Gibson, and the unmatched New York made Epiphones (pre '54). In fact, if you have the chance, try a vintage Epiphone Triumph (the more common ones) you can see my point. One strum will remind you of a vintage Martin flatop....you can't make an archtop sing like when Epi's family was in control. You had to compete acoustically with the horn section in a big band! That was the some of the challenges that builders (for acoustic archtops) faced during the day. But today when modern floating pickups are used with those vintage archtops it's like playing a grand piano.

A lot of great modern day archtop builders now, making incredible guitars, but takes a while for the wood to age. They seem brighter at first. But hearing aged Adirondack Spruce is my point, but you can't cut the trees down like they did back in the day. Some modern day builders go the extra effort to get their hands on good raw woods for their tops, and those are the ones that understand the "magic" I think. But at a cost of course...$$$.

My $0.05....
 

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Lotta guys here and on the Gretsch site step up to defend old Harmonys. So, I guess I clearly missed playing the good ones, that's all. The points about the guitars sold often not being setup right is absolutely the truth, as well. In fact, I remember guitars pretty much going out the door of the store the way they showed up, for good or bad. I didn't really learn anything about guitar setup until I was well into my twenties, which would have been the seventies.

It would be interesting to have my old violin shaped Kent back in my hands. I'd like to see what a real luthier could do with that guitar...

... or NOT! :lol:
 
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