NS Starfire IV ST-12

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I have a very nice Gretsch electric 12-string, but I’ve been very curious about the NS Starfire IV ST-12. Also, I figured at the very least I can play the “compare and contrast” game with them. But for now, this is a NGD post so let’s go!

The model was formally introduced in 2018. Here’s the splash page from Guild’s website that year. Exciting, no?

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The Starfire IV ST-12 (herein referred to as “SF-XII” because that’s what it is, dammit) is basically the hardtail version of the SF-IV with a 12-string neck… or is it? I don’t have the hardtail version to directly compare, but I do have a 2012 harp tail SF-IV. Other than the necks, I also noticed that the SF-IV (a very early example) has ivory colored binding while the 2018 SF-XII has tinted “aged” binding. But there is another huge difference so read on.

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According to Guild’s website, it had a rosewood fingerboard for the first year before switching to an ebony board sometime in 2019. However, my guitar is from early 2018 and it has an unstained ebony fingerboard so go figure. Unlike the harp tail version of the SF-IV that has a floating bridge, the ST versions (both 6 and 12) have the bridge mounted directly into the top. I would have much preferred the harp tail and floating bridge, but I guess the TOM and stop tail is easier and cheaper to make.

You might expect the center block to be a long chunk of wood that runs from the neck pickup route all the way to the butt end of the body, just as on the US-made Starfire IV. However, on the Korean-made SF-XII, the “block” isn’t a block. Instead, there are two boards that run the length of body and the top and back are glued to them. They have been carved out as needed for pickup fitment and wiring. The bridge and stop tail appear to be on a completely solid block of wood that has been placed between the two boards. Tapping the top and the back reveals that the body is hollow from just behind the stop tail to the butt end of the body.

Here’s a pic of the neck pickup route. You can clearly see how the route cuts right through the parallel braces. I’m not a fan of that at all. Note the cavity is sprayed with shielding paint.

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The body appears to be a “full” parallel braced guitar where the two braces are connected to the back as well as the top. A “block” of wood, composed of three stacked pieces, approximately 3.5” (8.9 cm) long is placed under the bridge and stop tail for added support. This can be seen in the photo below. It too is glued to the back as well as the top. Okay, so it’s a cheater way of doing things, but it works and the guitars aren’t stupid heavy as a result. It also results in a nicely resonant guitar!

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So, the Newark Street SF-XII body is not a true center block design. The American-made SF-IVs are center block as is my 2012 NS SF-IV. Here’s a pic of the NS SF-IV and you can clearly see it has a full center block with only cutouts for the pickups and wire tunnels. Tapping the back and top confirmed that the center block is solid from the neck pickup cavity to the butt end of the body.

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The 2017 NS SF-V that I once owned definitely had a center block body. I find it strange that Guild would build the 12-string body differently so my guess is that there was a change for the SF-IV, V, and VI that took place in 2018 when the SF-XII was introduced. Additional, (indirect) evidence is that the average weights of the Korean semi-hollow models have decreased since 2017. This decrease would coincide with the decrease in the amount of wood used for the center block.

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My theory is that the construction technique changed either to reduce the weight of the guitars or for economic reasons (faster, cheaper) or both. Also, it may have been done to homologate construction methods between the NS series in Korea and Starfire I series in Indonesia. This makes pre-2018 Starfire IV, V and VI guitar more valuable and collectible (if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you). Still, if any you have a Newark Street Starfire IV, V or VI and want to let us how your guitar is built, please do!

Unlike the other Korean Starfires that are fitted with Grover Sta-Tite tuners, the 12-string model has 18:1 diecast Hanchang SG115 tuners. These work very well and are precise without any play or slop. Hanchang is a large Korean company that supposedly makes Grover tuners.

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The generic TOM bridge has 6 saddles and each saddle is slotted for a pair of strings. This is a compromise arrangement (read: cheap) and ABM makes a TOM bridge that has 12 saddles so that each string can be intonated separately. Unfortunately, it is chrome not nickel-plated and is very expensive.

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The stop tail is drilled to accept 12 strings as shown in the pic below. Some of you might recognize the chenilled string ends of the Pyramid Gold flatwounds I installed. I know this string choice is polarizing, but I’ve been using them on all of my electric 12s seemingly forever and I like them.

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The guitar is neck heavy, but a wide strap helps keep it in place. The playability is great and I find the NS series necks, in general, to have super comfortable profiles. And, of course, the 1 25/32” (45mm) nut width certainly helps. Yes, you read that correctly, the nut width listed in the specifications on the Guild website (1 11/16”) is incorrect. Somebody at Guild/Yamaha needs to proofread their webpages. And that’s a shame because I’ll bet some folks (me included) would not purchase an NS SF-XII (without being able to play it first) under the assumption that it had the narrow nut width.

The neck is not only wider than the 6-string model, but has a thicker profile to add some strength due to the tension of the six extra strings. Also of note are some minor differences in the body dimensions (do they coincide with the different interior design?).

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The neck angle is pretty shallow, but that’s the way it is on all of the Newark Street models I’ve had. It just means that the bridge must be set very low leaving little adjustment if (when?) the neck angle changes. Nobody is going to do a neck re-set on these if that ever happens. They are, unfortunately, disposable guitars, IMHO.

As with the 6-string version, there is plenty of chime, jangle, and “ka-raang” on tap. The mismatched pickups were already dialed in to my satisfaction so no issues there. I checked out all the video clips for this model on YouTube and this is the most accurate representation of what the guitar sounds like:

 

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Overall, the guitar is a winner especially since it has a wide nut although I still want Guild to offer a harp tail version. I scored this pre-owned example for about the same price as the Indonesian-made version plus a Guild hardshell case. Finding a used Korean Starfire XII is a better value as it has better build quality and already comes with a Guild case. In addition to finding a 12-saddle TOM bridge, I will likely replace the ugly orange switch tip with a metal tip as I’ve done on the SF-IV.

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Which model Gretsch do you have (and how does the Guild compare)?
I have a 5422-12 that I got as a "throw-in" on a trade that I find to be incredibly disappointing in just about all the measurable fields.
 

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Cool! Interested to see how you feel they compare. After checking, it appears that I have the exact same blonde FSR model as well!
 

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Don’t dial it back! I love these details
 

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A 1967 Starfire XII was my first good guitar. I also lucked into a bunch of Guild flatwound electric 12 strings at a music store clearance, and I too loved them on that guitar. I would really like to get another SF XII, but it's hard for me to see spending what would have gotten me a vintage Hoboken model a few years ago for an import. I am also skeptical of the SF I-12 (seriously, Guild -- the naming thing?), because something that is half the money of another import has to have problems. Right?
 
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