NGD: new Starfire III

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London
So I joined the yellow switch club. I got a good deal on a new SFIII in black and bit the bullet. I paid £681 all in, which is €800 and about $905.

I'll post pics in due course, but you've all seen them a million times.

I measured the pups and they're still mismatched: 7.1k neck, 5.35k bridge. However, they don't sound bad and i can see the pickup heights have been set so they match pretty well. Factory setup was surprisingly good, played well out of the box, fret ends are tidy and the finish is flawless. I have no issue with the Sta-Tites and the construction is overall very impressive.

A while ago I bought a complete NOS loom from the mid '60s with the Martin-style Dynasonics, plus CTS pots, Switchcraft etc. so my plan was to drop that in.

I checked and the guitar is still made in Korea - I wondered whether they'd switched production to China at some point.

A few of things I noted:

1. The body tapers in thickness towards the neck, so the upper bout is thinner at the neck side than at the bridge side. That's definitely not historically accurate, though that's not a bother to me.

2. The bridge is glued. This was not previously the case - they used to come with foam under the bridge that some demonstrators famously failed to remove. Currently this is annoying me as I had thought to drop in either one of my large selection of Bigsby bridges or possibly a Schaller TOM. As it is I'm stuck with the rather pale bridge base and the posts are too narrow for the Bigsby or Schaller bridges. The stock TOM is not too bad, although it has the rather wide slots that cheapo bridges often come with. I've dropped in a roller I had around that sounds pretty good.

3. They've changed the case. It's still a hard case but not in the classic Guild style with the gold painted G logo on the top. The new ones have a G logo plastic badge riveted to the side. Until recently the Newark Street cases pretty much matched the old ones, meaning it fit well when stacked up with my US Guilds.

I wonder why they made the decision to glue the bridge when previously they were pinned? Ungluing it would be difficult and would probably strip the finish from the top. Does it matter? I guess yes and no. It reduces my options. At 900 bucks for a new out the door very well made archtop it's still a good buy.

I'll give it a week or so before I decide if it's a keeper.
 

GAD

Reverential Morlock
Über-Morlock
Joined
Feb 11, 2009
Messages
23,163
Reaction score
18,887
Location
NJ (The nice part)
Guild Total
112
I wonder why they made the decision to glue the bridge when previously they were pinned? Ungluing it would be difficult and would probably strip the finish from the top. Does it matter? I guess yes and no. It reduces my options. At 900 bucks for a new out the door very well made archtop it's still a good buy.

My guess (and it's totally a guess) is a high number of support calls asking why the bridge falls off on this nice new guitar.
 

GGJaguar

Reverential Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2011
Messages
21,954
Reaction score
32,336
Location
Skylands
Guild Total
50
I wonder why they made the decision to glue the bridge when previously they were pinned?
Are you sure it's glued on? My NS SFIII and SFV bridge were pinned, but the way to remove them was to use a very small allen wrench to unscrew the saddle posts. The post are threaded through the base and into holes in the body.
 

SFIV1967

Venerated Member
Joined
Nov 20, 2010
Messages
18,500
Reaction score
9,024
Location
Bavaria / Germany
Guild Total
8
3. They've changed the case. It's still a hard case but not in the classic Guild style with the gold painted G logo on the top. The new ones have a G logo plastic badge riveted to the side. Until recently the Newark Street cases pretty much matched the old ones, meaning it fit well when stacked up with my US Guilds.
That's definitely something where pictures would help to show the new case from inside and outside. Regarding the bridge I'm with GGJaguar, check what he wrote.

Ralf
 

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London
Are you sure it's glued on? My NS SFIII and SFV bridge were pinned, but the way to remove them was to use a very small allen wrench to unscrew the saddle posts. The post are threaded through the base and into holes in the body.
Godammit, you're right, thank you, and they even included the little wrench
 

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London
Two other observations (the top pic is the Newark (with a Bigsby bridge added), the bottom is a 2001 model):

1. the Bigsby isn't quite centred. See how the strings pass straight over the high E but have to divert to go over the lower strings. This either isn't a problem, or i can correct it by moving the strap pin and Bigsby up by a couple of millimetres or so. This might also result in the bridge being dragged downwards if it's unpinned, moving the strings further towards the edge of the fretboard.

Note also the much sharper edges on the import Bigsby.

2. the restraining nub on the Bigsby arm is much bigger, meaning you can't quite bring the arm up high enough to nestle under your hand as I like to do. If I keep it I can then I can cut it off altogether.


20211201_124256.jpg20211201_124313.jpg
 
Last edited:

Shakeylee

Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2020
Messages
489
Reaction score
285
Location
Philadelphia
Guild Total
4
"A while ago I bought a complete NOS loom from the mid '60s with the Martin-style Dynasonics, plus CTS pots, Switchcraft etc. so my plan was to drop that in"

that will make it pretty much the best guitar around.
 

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London

shihan

Senior Member
Gold Supporting
Joined
Jan 18, 2013
Messages
1,552
Reaction score
815
Location
Ventura CA
That is going to be one sweet NS SF 3! Looking forward to a report when you get then ‘new’ PU’s installed.
 
Joined
Oct 4, 2020
Messages
267
Reaction score
231
Guild Total
1
Cool I love my ns sf5 after a pickup change. I’m sure you’ll love yours
 

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London
I'm thinking of returning this. Not sure why, perhaps just for the shocking fact that... I don't need it!

I still have a beautiful USA made SFIII-90 that doesn't have silly fake yellow binding or a badly applied nut. And I'm still digging the M70 custom, especially with the vibrato on it.
 
Last edited:

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London
Happy Christmas all!

So, i decided to return this and booked the collection yesterday. Then I changed my mind, postponed the collection and stripped the guitar to see if the Dynasonic rig would fit.

The LB-1 cutouts on these seem to be wider than the old ones and Dynas won't hide the cutouts entirely - there'll be a visible hole at either end.

The main thing that narked me about this guitar was the nut is a bit sloppy with gap between the nut and the end of the neck. I'm not sure it affects performance but it affects my aesthetic sense.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Oct 4, 2020
Messages
267
Reaction score
231
Guild Total
1
Happy Christmas all!

So, i decided to return this and booked the collection yesterday. Then I changed my mind, postponed the collection and stripped the guitar to see if the Dynasonic rig would fit.

The LB-1 cutouts on these seem to be wider than the old ones and Dynas won't hide the cutouts entirely - there'll be a visible hole at either end.

The main thing that narked me about this guitar was the night is a bit sloppy with gap between the nut and the end of the neck. I'm not sure it affects performance but it affects my aesthetic sense.
Tarmonds in a filtertron mount will work
 

Shakeylee

Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2020
Messages
489
Reaction score
285
Location
Philadelphia
Guild Total
4
true. T-armonds just don't sound as good as dearmond 2000s.

you could make pickup rings out of pickguard material, and mount the dearmonds on top of that.
 

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London
A few months on and I haven't played this guitar at all. Debating what to do with it. I'm struggling deeply with the fact that the headstock inlay seems to be a child's lunchbox sticker and the fingerboard dots are boring and nasty. Am I an inveterate snob?

I have, however, replaced the yellow switch tip.
 
Joined
Oct 4, 2020
Messages
267
Reaction score
231
Guild Total
1
A few months on and I haven't played this guitar at all. Debating what to do with it. I'm struggling deeply with the fact that the headstock inlay seems to be a child's lunchbox sticker and the fingerboard dots are boring and nasty. Am I an inveterate snob?

I have, however, replaced the yellow switch tip.
Sell it . And part of owning a guitar is like how it looks
 

Norrissey

Senior Member
Platinum Supporting
Joined
Jul 22, 2021
Messages
1,174
Reaction score
1,367
Location
Southern California
Guild Total
9
I'm struggling deeply with the fact that the headstock inlay seems to be a child's lunchbox sticker and the fingerboard dots are boring and nasty
Does the Newark Street Starfire feel a little "cheap" compared to your US-made one? Curious to know. My Korean-made Dearmond is pretty darn solid.
 

parker_knoll

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
1,453
Reaction score
411
Location
London
Does the Newark Street Starfire feel a little "cheap" compared to your US-made one? Curious to know.
yes, absolutely. I think the body, woodwork and fretwork is fine, but the nut has a little gap before it hits the fretboard and doesn't line up side to side well with the fretboard; the Bigsby doesn't work as well and is rougher around the edges (see my post above regarding that); USA Guilds have a lovely crushed pearl headstock inlay that is more orangey in colour, this one looks like a cheap holographic sticker, which I believe is what it is. Oh, and the nut is white while the binding is fake yellow :/

The cheapo switch is nasty, so in fact I already upgraded it to Switchcraft. Then there's the yellow switch tip. I don't have any issues with the pots.

Like a lot of far Eastern guitars, it's a case of a sound base that you can upgrade (new nut, new electrics, do a little filing on the Bigsby), but there's nothing to be done about that inlay, alas.
 
Top