NGD - New Grail Day

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NDG 1969/70 F312

I picked up this grail guitar a couple of months ago, luckily before I was laid off! It has a late 1969 Hobo label but according to Hans was completed in 1970 at Westerly. It needed work and has concerns but I worked out a fair price with the seller and immediately sent it off to Tom Jacobs.

Tom gave it complete re-fret, cut a new (1-13/16) bone nut and compensated saddle, fixed some loose bracing, let the top settle, filled in some finish cracks, removed the old bad pickup and installed a 12 string K&K. The bridge is thin (possibly sanded) and I was expecting replacement and a neck reset. Tom set it up with lights and tuned down two half steps to D, because 1) I like it there for vocals and 2) to lessen the tension on the neck. The top dip/bellying eased a bit and is at an acceptable level, the action is low and the neck angle good so, Tom suggested observing things for a while and not going further at this time. We also didn’t change the original tuners for now as they are working Ok for what they are.

I’m still not supposed to play for another couple weeks because of torn ligaments, but did play what I could for about 15 minutes last night. It plays like butter, really effortlessly, and the intonation is good now all the way up the neck. The sound is full and resonant. This is a great model and Tom really made this one come alive. Now I know what you F-312 guys have been talking about! Major “thank you” to Delyne and Tom who were so wonderful to work with.

Mikey likes it !!!

Now, what to do with my F112 Natalie?

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Thanks all. I feel very lucky. It has the fullness I want for strumming songs where the 112 excels at picking and arpeggio. Curious about the side grain vs the back. Maybe you wood guys know. They look like different cuts.
 

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Thanks all. I feel very lucky. It has the fullness I want for strumming songs where the 112 excels at picking and arpeggio. Curious about the side grain vs the back. Maybe you wood guys know. They look like different cuts.
Wouldn't surprise me.

Hans may know for sure, but I can't recall an F-312 that was ever confirmed as anything but Braz, which Guild still had a decent supply of in '70. But backs/sides required larger flitches and it appears they ran out of those first and started using EIR, even mixing it as seen on D50s with mixed back/sides even as late as '73. In this case I think it's just most likely the sides came from a different flitch than the back, although it looks like all Braz on yours, allowing that it's the least reliable method of ID.
 

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Gotta love an ebony fretboard...

i have to agree. I know for some it doesn’t matter but to me it does feel much smoother, and doesn’t wear like RW. I’d have to say my only gripe with the NH Standards (which I love) is the rosewood board.
 
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Looks like a great guitar! Looking forward to the day I can get mine back togther. Getting closer every day.

"...but I can't recall an F-312 that was ever confirmed as anything but Braz,"

There are quite a few EIR 312s around, and a few "hybrids" (Indian and Brazilian) as well.
 

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Looks like a great guitar! Looking forward to the day I can get mine back togther. Getting closer every day.

What is going on with yours,and are you doing the work yourself?
 

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Curious about the side grain vs the back. Maybe you wood guys know. They look like different cuts.
Seems like a lot of early ‘70s rosewood bodies are like this. My ‘73 F-30R has a very dark back that might be Brazilian, versus lightish brown sides with wide grain. I’ve seen a number of others examples from this era with similar characteristics.
 
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