NGD Long awaited S100, surprises, drama, realizations, pics, flaming tiger hog

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Mailman pulled up with the S100 from Canada yesterday. Declared at $1500 CAD, wow... but no charge or even sig required, probably no insurance.

The box was ridiculously small, thin and short like a Squier Strat box with the headstock of the Guild case pushing out, albeit in a layer of bubble wrap, but really packed like a sardine, good thing this was USPS and not UPS.

The case was ghetto shrinkwrapped as I advised by putting in in large bags and taping all the around it repeatedly especially around the latches to prevent the case opening in transit. I've seen it before, with the guitar coming out of the case, it's not good.

After getting it out of that cocoon and getting the case open, I found seller disregarded everything I said about packing the guitar, and didn't cradle the neck up to elevate the headstock up away from the case floor, insane, no gap, guitar actually resting on headstock, I don't even lay them on my bed like that and if you do while plugged in, you can hear it go flat.

So, then I realize that he took that white mini bubbly stuff and wrapped the guitar in that and then shrinkwrapped that over the guitar, all over, supertight, over and over. Canadian tape is a lot better than ours, I almost passed out trying to this sh*t off so I wouldn't hurt the guitar with scissors, like it was impossible to get off, I could'n even see the guitar for ten minutes, nevermind the nerve wracking frustration of trying to get it free from this without scratching the guitar.

Which was ironic, because once it came out, the first thing I noticed was fret sprout like razor wire, that had already been worked on, bad job that left marks in the binding and if anything made it worse, I mean we're talking dangerous, snags clothes, bedding, hands.

The strings were loose, off something else, all kinked up from some other bridge and tuner posts. They were only on for looks, no one played this guitar, or had a luthier look at it, etc.

I could tell the story about how "it plays like it always did" was just pure bs from someone selling a guitar and not even good enough at it to know if someone's going to have a surprise when they get it. The whole "under the bed for 40 years"... highly unlikely this guy sells lots of gear.

And another thing, this story about an old crack injected with glue is I think total prefab. It's never been cracked. It's got some checking there, I've seen this before, stress maybe in that area, but anyway, some crazing, just crazing, there's never been a crack or repair there.

The next thing I noticed was stupidly clean it was. Chrome, etc, too crazy clean, does not look its age. You could easily find reissues with a lot more wear.

No tarnishing of the bridge, zero wear to the switch tip. The Rosewood is very light colored, hasn't been used much, I couldn't even find a dent in a fret, but those ends... some frets even loose at the ends to the point of visibly pushing back down.

Not a lot of playtime. Maybe it's true, maybe it does play like it always did, with the frets sticking out and that's why nobody's ever played it.

Sad to say, my second Guild electric, and the 1st had atrocious fret edges down by the body, and the guy who worked on it said he refretted it, then said he didn't, but he did because they're twice the size of the S100 frets. I guess some people don't play the whole neck (?) and don't know but that's not an excuse for having razor frets sticking out that have been worked on before by any animal with a rasp.

Also noticed it was chunky, full featured ;] It ain't no lightweight. I was expecting light, but not quite.

I took the strings off and started cleaning it. And I'm looking at it thinking, why do they compare these to SG's as some kind of wannabe?

Because, I had SG's for years and this is more than SG, it's quite possibly bigger, thicker, it's bound, has infinitely better hardware, better electronics. It's not a competitor to the SG, it's better than the SG.

No such thing as a Phase Switch with a SG.

The build quality is sumptous. Why the frets are such a joke I don't know.

The neck is pretty hefty too, can't tell if it's C or U shaped, it's meaty.

Shrinkwrapping is good, but don't tape to chipboard case. This case is crazy extra nice. The guitar never went out.

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The mummy, challenging. Wrapped around the headstock multiple times supertight with heavy tape.

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Sweating bullets getting it out

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Notice the strings below the bridge and above the nut, yikes...

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Seller swears he had it checked out...

I do have this amazing Japanese file for doing frets, you just have to get in the zone. And not scratch the body. I don't tape. Just free hand, roll around, the smooth side against the fingerboard, roll out and down, it's a zen thing, and little little swipes across the flat to finish.

I got my most powerful glasses and started trying to address the frets, and after starting to to develop some technique, keep in mind I don't want to live with a botch job, I stopped work to dig into The Bible the Guitar Player Repair Guide by Dan Erlewine when he was still a young guy and found the relevant info in the book, like gold, and he said to do exactly what I'd started doing, some people really tapering the ends, I just want to get them smooth. You can't take as many liberties doing this with a bound neck.

The smooth sides of my fret files are sharp enough at the edges to plane binding smooth where it's been gouged.

There's also lots of info on how to glue loose frets down.

It's growing on me. Great looking guitar.

6lb 15lb, maybe a little heavier than I expected, but still, the SF-4 is over 9lbs. My sciatica acts up just thinking about it...
 
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Note not to mention any problem with guitars with sellers anymore.

The mere mention of the fret issues and the used strings off another guitar (actually visible in his listing if you look closely enough at the faraway pics) sent the seller into a tailspin, insisted I had to return it, started threatening about some State Patrol buddy picking it up for him, I had to tell him next email was going straight to eBay security dept.

"Because I didn't like it" that's why he was insisting I absolutely had to return it, and also because a guy at Long & McQuade wanted to buy it...

I swear I never a see a seller go bezerk like this.

Insisted to the end the strings were new, he even had the receipt, and about the guy who looked at it, yada yada.

In the end I realized it was a rescue operation getting the guitar from him. I still can't believe the mailman didn't even want a a sig, he must have had no insurance on it. In a small box in a chipboard case with the headstock laying fully on the case bottom, it's a miracle it's here in one piece.

The Mahogany slab body is most intriguing on this one, very tiger striped, unusual.

100% original minus two back cover screws I was able to very closely match from my parts stash.

I haven't pulled the back cover off actually.
 

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It's amazing, cleaned up like you wouldn't believe.

Frets are dealt with, maybe the most challenging frets to tame, with the binding.

Strung it up with GHS Boomers 10-46. The vintage Grovers are sweet. The posts are so short that on the bass strings I like to thread the string under the top loop so two wraps on the bass string don't push the string past the intended or indented spot in the post, the capstan. So this reminded me of stringing up a Les Paul.

With virtually zero fiddling I got it to play well with fairly stupidly low action, but still ringing like a bell.

Great neck angle is what that is, the strings are very perpendicular to the fingerboard.

I played it at bedtime, and early this morning, and it was so ringy, lively, unplugged, that I switched the bass strings to GHS Brite Flats, and as I suspected that guitars sounds fkg amazing, unplugged, with Brite Flats. It still rings, but without all the screeching.

These strings can make some lesser guitars sound incredibly lame. Like I couldn't keep em on my Dano for 5 minutes even, but Burnished Rockers sound fab on it.

Nice thing about GHS, same trebles for all these sets, so it you want something different, you change three strings and thats it, like a different guitar.

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I cleaned the crap out of the gorgeous tailpiece, was grungy in the exit side of the strings right down where you look at it. Like new now.
Interesting how grungy isn't cool when it's real vintage.

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Note not to mention any problem with guitars with sellers anymore.

The mere mention of the fret issues and the used strings off another guitar (actually visible in his listing if you look closely enough at the faraway pics) sent the seller into a tailspin, insisted I had to return it, started threatening about some State Patrol buddy picking it up for him, I had to tell him next email was going straight to eBay security dept.

"Because I didn't like it" that's why he was insisting I absolutely had to return it, and also because a guy at Long & McQuade wanted to buy it...

I swear I never a see a seller go bezerk like this.

Insisted to the end the strings were new, he even had the receipt, and about the guy who looked at it, yada yada.

In the end I realized it was a rescue operation getting the guitar from him. I still can't believe the mailman didn't even want a a sig, he must have had no insurance on it. In a small box in a chipboard case with the headstock laying fully on the case bottom, it's a miracle it's here in one piece.

The Mahogany slab body is most intriguing on this one, very tiger striped, unusual.

100% original minus two back cover screws I was able to very closely match from my parts stash.

I haven't pulled the back cover off actually.
Unfortunately dealing with some sellers is like dealing with the very worst of the general public. The situations that stand out to me in my 13 years of collecting was when I bought a Danelectro off reverb, the seller took a week to ship it and would get fuming PO’d if I asked when it would be shipped citing he had a hectic work schedule and I wouldn’t possibly understand. Finally shipped it when I requested a refund. Whatever then I guess I’ll wait to get the guitar. The screwball ships it just loose in the box with random bits of cardboard that didn’t seem to help cushion the guitar so of course shipping from Michigan to Texas it got wrecked in transit. I think I had to get Reverb to refund me because the seller just got irate and totally unreasonable when I tried to return the guitar citing the poor packaging. Said something to the effect of “Quit bothering me, take it up with UPS.”. Eventually his account/store disappeared. Cant imagine why 🙄. Another situation I recall was when I responded to a Craigslist ad for a Guild D-25 that was in worse shape than I was lead to believe. The ad had pics that looked like they were taken with a crappy flip phone whist the person was in the middle of convulsions. The meet up spot was the guys trailer house and though I try not to pass judgment you could tell it was a bad side of town. Half the trailers there were abandoned and strip mined for their copper pipe and wiring by the local junkies. Why I didn’t just do a 180 and leave is beyond me but I knock on the door and the guy selling the guitar answers. Shows me the guitar in a case that reeked of cat pee and stale cigarettes much like the inside of the trailer. The guitar was just worse for wear, needed a neck reset with very high action, no shortage of top cracks and the bridge was reattached with two unsightly bolts with what looks like epoxy squeeze out from under the bridge. I tell the man I wasn’t going to pay $600 for this thing as he claimed in the ad it was playable which wasn’t the case at all. He makes a lousy crappy claim that acoustics were supposed to be hard to play with high action. I wished him luck with the sale and declined buying it. And that just put him in a rage, calls me a lying cheat/tire kicker among other less pleasant things and started throwing stuff around and just when the phone rang and he went to pick it up I knew was my time to get in the car and get the hell outta that dirty cesspool. I was fully prepared for the worst as mad as that guy was there was no telling what he’d have done.
 

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I'm really happy you got that gem! It is the horned stepsister of my recently purchased S-300! I have never owned a red guitar, but that cherry finish grew on me quickly. I am still shocked at the fact these old Guild electrics never became more popular back in the day. Great looking, well made and they play like butter. Everyone was craving a Strat or a LP around that time, but they missed out on some sweet playing music-makers Very Jimmy Page! Enjoy it.🎸
 

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I'm happy this story has a happy ending. You had me worried with the shipping and unboxing pictures. It seems like a great guitar. I would still have my old S-90 if it had a bigger neck.
 

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It's funny you say very Jimmy Page. I tried to play Heartbreaker and it wouldn't do it ;] Of course I haven't played the song in 20 years but it's definitely the S-100 to blame, it was a refusal.

I had SG's for decades, sold mine for twice what I paid for this, so that's interesting... and I'm looking at it, and it's a lot sexier than an SG, more softer contours, bigger contours, Gibson doesn't believe in a contour in the back, you get a bevel and that's it, but a hard bevel. Edges are pretty square. This is really a cuddly guitar.

The hardware in the SG isn't as good by a mile. This bridge is like lunar module compared to the Tune-O-Matic, and this tailpiece is solid brass, don't know if y'all knew that, to Gibson's pot metal tailpiece. This is good stuff.

The Gibson electronics don't compare.

These pickups are more imposing, fuller looking, more shapely, more adjustment screws, and then there's the switch.

Make the switch ;]

It's that Phase switch, secret weapon.

It's what makes the Guild such a sonic weapon.

Thew neck pickup sound huge and could be muddy with dirt, the bridge pickup really sizzles, kinda like a drunk slurring, it covers up all your shitty playing really nice ;]

But the middle position is where the Guild shines.

When you "go down" on the phase switch, it gets all funky and rubbery with both volumes on 10, but... if you roll back the neck p'up a little, the EQ changes dramatically and you get a bridge pickup tone on steroids, great tone, and face it, a guitar really only needs to have one great tone, or at least one.

I never felt my SG had that, one amazing tone.

So then you switch between the overdriven goodness of the bridge p'up full on and the middle position with varying degrees of out of phase twang, two really great positions.

It's also a really good rhythm guitar. Chords sound clear and are easy to play.

Maybe it's the big markers but I seem to make fewer mistakes playing it, chord progressions become more obvious.

It's much thicker at the body joint than an SG. It's not "like an SG", it's more than an SG, in many ways.

I so wish I'd seen one of these in person 30 years ago.

Also found out that '73 may be the pinnacle year for these, or at the very least the pinnacle of models that embody the characteristics of this one. The early 70's were a big period of change with this guitar line.

Thx to Hans, this info;

1971: new style humbuckers new Adjustomatic bridge and stop tailpiece. Whoa, a whole lotta new parts!

1972: phase switch standard. S100 Deluxe listed, with Bigsby vibrato and Grover Rotomatics. More!

1974: S-100 carved listed.

1975: stop tailpiece moved closer to the bridge.

1976: S-100 Deluxe discontinued.

The book ends in 1977, with the S-100 remaining in the line.

Han's wonderful price guide puts the price at $350 early or $375 late 1973. This having a 82xxx serial number puts it right in the middle of the year, plus around $20 for the 15-S Economy plush lined case, $370 in 1973 = $2268 in 2021.

These are still seriously undervalued guitars.
 
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It's funny you say very Jimmy Page. I tried to play Heartbreaker and it wouldn't do it ;] Of course I haven't played the song in 20 years but it's definitely the S-100 to blame, it was a refusal.

I had SG's for decades, sold mine for twice what I paid for this, so that's interesting... and I'm looking at it, and it's a lot sexier than an SG, more softer contours, bigger contours, Gibson doesn't believe in a contour in the back, you get a bevel and that's it, but a hard bevel. Edges are pretty square. This is really a cuddly guitar.

The hardware in the SG isn't as good by a mile. This bridge is like lunar module compared to the Tune-O-Matic, and this tailpiece is solid brass, don't know y'all knew that. This is good stuff.

The Gibson electronics don't compare.

These pickups are more imposing, fuller looking, more shapely, more adjustment screws, and then there's the switch.

Make the switch ;]

It's that Phase switch, secret weapon.

It's what makes the Guild such a sonic weapon.

Thew neck pickup sound huge and could be muddy with dirt, the bridge pickup really sizzles, kinda like a drunk slurring, it covers up all your shitty playing really nice ;]

But the middle position is where the Guild shines.

When you "go down" on the phase switch, it gets all funky and rubbery with both volumes on 10, but... if you roll back the neck p'up a little, the EQ changes dramatically and you get a bridge pickup tone on steroids, great tone, and face it, a guitar really only needs to have one great tone, or at least one.

I never felt my SG had that, one amazing tone.

So then you switch between the overdriven goodness of the bridge p'up full on and the middle position with varying degrees of out of phase twang, two really great positions.

It's also a really good rhythm guitar. Chords sound clear and are easy to play.

Maybe it's the big markers but I seem to make fewer mistakes playing it, chord progressions become more obvious.

It's much thicker at the body joint than an SG. It's not "like an SG", it's more than an SG, in many ways.

I so wish I'd seen one of these in person 30 years ago.

Also found out that '73 may be the pinnacle year for these, or at the very least the pinnacle of models that embody the characteristics of this one. The early 70's were a big period of change with this guitar line.

Thx to Hans, this info;

1971: new style humbuckers new Adjustomatic bridge and stop tailpiece. Whoa, a whole lotta new parts!

1972: phase switch standard. S100 Deluxe listed, with Bigsby vibrato and Grover Rotomatics. More!

1974: S-100 carved listed.

1975: stop tailpiece moved closer to the bridge.

1976: S-100 Deluxe discontinued.

The book ends in 1977, with the S-100 remaining in the line.

Han's wonderful price guide puts the price at $350 early or $375 late 1973. This having a 82xxx serial number puts it right in the middle of the year, plus around $20 for the 15-S Economy plush lined case, $370 in 1973 = $2268 in 2021.

These are still seriously undervalued guitars.
Just think, if Carlos had played a S-100 at Woodstock, if Clapton recorded the Beano album with a Starfire or if Jimi played a S-300 at the Isle of Wight all these old Guilds would be going for $9,000 to $12,000! It's all personal taste but the body contours, hardware and quality puts most guitars to shame in my opinion. I would choose a S-300 over a Les Paul and a S-100 over a SG every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Your S-100 looks like a real winner. 👍
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People were really blown away by the Beano album, that guitar through the Bluesbreaker Combo, the sheer ferocity of it.

It would be interesting to redo it with an S-100 through same amp, but the Les Paul hits very hard. A Strat can do alll kinds of warbly things and eventually virtually everyone went to them, but a Les Paul can put so much power in your notes, there's hardly another guitar like it, in its day.

I think Santana played the typical Townshend SG of the time at Woodstock, an SG Special with P90's, again an archetypal tone, Leslie West, others. Then he went to the Les Paul, then Yamaha SG2000 (Eat that Gibson ;]), then prototype PRS that he didn't believe PRS could possibly build, it had to be God ;]

Jimi revived flagging Stratocaster sales like no other. As far as his guitar guitars go, the least hyped, and the one I like the most, the Acoustic Black Widow.

Somehow Guilds escaped the hype of a Clapton or Hendrix player, probably to our advantage. Still a well kept secret.

George Harrison might be the closest to uber celebrity endorsement with Starfire XII, but I'm not sure that has really affected the prices of guitars from this era. Still kicking myself for not buying an Emerald Green '68 Starfire XII very reasonable on Reverb a couple years ago when I went through 12 string madness.

The S300 differs from the S-100 only in body shape, otherwise it is identical with the same tonal characteristics.

That meme is a prefect representation of the guitar world. There's two guitars. Les Pauls, and Strats.

I wouldn't want either one of those guitars. It's like a poster for two of my guitar pet peeves, "Wine Red" Les Pauls, and Strats with bridge humbuckers, probably two of my most loathed things in guitardom.

Looking at it even further, how could a guitar with an awful bridge like the Nashville TOM you see there get so much recognition compared the Guilds made at the time when Wine Red Les Pauls were popular, the 80's.
 
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