Next generation of the Adjust-o-Matic?

[danerectal]

I was cruising around the Müller & Sohn website. And found a new roller bridge that not too distantly resembles the old Müller Adjust-o-Matic bridge from the 70s. Are these the same guys? If so I wonder if this new style could be used on applications of the old ones. Either way, I think I'm going to try to get a hold of one for project use.

 

[hansmoust]

I was cruising around the Müller & Sohn website. And found a new roller bridge that not too distantly resembles the old Müller Adjust-o-Matic bridge from the 70s. Are these the same guys? If so I wonder if this new style could be used on applications of the old ones. Either way, I think I'm going to try to get a hold of one for project use.

Hello Dane,

Yes, those are the same people who made the '70s version of the Guild AdjustoMatic bridge.
It's not exactly a new bridge since it's been in the ABM line for more than 20 years, maybe even 25 years. The bridge base is not interchangeable with the 'old' AdjustoMatic. Not only does it use smaller diameter string posts, but the base is not threaded and the posts are spaced much closer together. It also has a different radius.
However you can use the roller saddles, screws and springs to replace the worn ones on your older unit. That might be a cheaper solution than trying to buy a 'vintage' one.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[rwmol]

If you find one, you are a lucky man indeed.

From what I've heard, all their product are very high quality and are only sold to volume dealers. I've been trying to get their twelve string Tune-A-Matic bridge, with slotted mounting, in a six string model, for two years now and am still waiting. I emailed them but they must not have an English interpretor. I have not received an answer.

Good luck.

Randy

 

[danerectal]

That news is good enough. Though as RW said, I may have just as tough a time getting one of these as the Guild model. Hans, how do the radii compare?

 

[danerectal]

I heard back from Müller today. It sounds like even the post spacing is incompatible with the Guild/Müller bridge. Here's what Peter had to say:

Dear Dane,

thank you for your highly interest in ABM.

For sure we have an american distributor: http://www.allparts.com

We like to support you as good as we can!

As we took over the company in February 2008 we had to
recognize, that just a small amount of all ABM parts are
discribed well in drawings. We had almost just the samples
as the base to work on.

So we´ll have a big job to fullfill our product database
(based on CAD) in the future.

To help you now here are the following data:

Post Spacing: 7,40cm = 2,914 Inch (measured from center of Post).

String Spacing: 5,10cm = 2,01 Inch (measured E to E)

I hope that I could help you so far.

With best regards,

Peter Borowski, Sales & Marketing

I wonder what kind of changes this transition could bring. Either way, I'll be talking to All-Parts to see if I can get one for the saddle assemblies.

 

[danerectal]

The more I look, I wonder if this would be a good replacement for the Gotoh bridges on the 90's Guild electrics. The post spacing is only .01 mm off from the specs on the Gotoh tune-o-matic from Stew-Mac. Still, the radius may be an issue, but it definitely peaked my interest. I also see that the string spacing is different, but the Müller is adjustable and my old one has quite a bit of play to it.

 

[hansmoust]

It sounds like even the post spacing is incompatible with the Guild/Müller bridge.

Hello Dane,

Actually, I already mentioned that when I wrote:

Not only does it use smaller diameter string posts, but the base is not threaded and the posts are spaced much closer together. It also has a different radius.

how do the radii compare?

The recent ABM bridge is about 15". Guild fingerboards do not have a fixed radius but they usually have a much smaller radius; much more rounded. The earliest Guild AdjustoMatic roller bridges had about an 11" - 12" radius. Eventually they changed to something close to 15".

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[danerectal]

I guess I forgot about the post-spacing comment. I'd really like to see one in person, regardless of whether it works for a Guild or not. I could really use some parts off of it for my other Müllers.

 

[rwmol]

Hi danerectal,

Muller and Sohn makes a Tune-A-Matic bridge that will fit the Guild archtop base with the 76mm post spacing and 2 inch string spacing. It's their 2400 but with rockers. Here's a picture of that bridge, except with rollers, mounted on a 76mm Guild base. This is their standard 2400 bridge with rockers: (Thanks Hans Moust)



This is the email from Peter Borowski on the part numbers for a rocker type bridge:

Dear Randy,

Thank you for your quick reply! You can order the bridge at http://www.allparts.com .

We will deliver a new shipment to allparts within the next 4-5 weeks, so we can add the bridge without any problem.

The part is named: 2400s plus c (chrome), b (black), g (gold) (s=saddle, non roller).

Please add this data to your order at allparts. I hope I could help you!

With best regards,

Peter Borowski, Sales & Marketing

After talking to Michael at All Parts, they are not placing any furthur orders with Muller and Sohn until they check the quality of this current order. Muller and Sohn was recently repurchased and restaffed. If you wish to place any order with All Parts for ABM parts, I would wait until after May.

Randy

 

[danerectal]

I'm putting it all in Don's hands. I really want to check out the 2300, if nothing else for roller parts for what I already have.

 

[dklsplace]

I'm putting it all in Don's hands. I really want to check out the 2300, if nothing else for roller parts for what I already have.

Don't hold your breath guys. Word is the head guy over there pass away at the end of last year & the company folded quickly. However someone purchases the whole deal & has begun manufacturing parts again, but we won't see anything here for another couple months.

 

[dklsplace]

Allparts just received their first shipment of the 2400's (in gold finish only) just last week. Doesn't sound like they plan to carry the 2300, but the good news is the quality is consistent with the older stuff before the company turnover in the past year.

 

[Squid]

For what it's worth, I installed that ABM roller bridge on my X-160. No problems with the post spacing, but the radius was way off for my particular guitar. The E-strings played significantly higher than everything else. It didn't feel right at all. I've since removed that unit and I am now working on installing a Schaller roller bridge in its place.

 

[danerectal]

No problems with the post spacing, but the radius was way off for my particular guitar. The E-strings played significantly higher than everything else. It didn't feel right at all. I've since removed that unit and I am now working on installing a Schaller roller bridge in its place.

That's what Hans was saying. Way too flat for the standard Guild radius.