Newark Street Tuning machine upgrades anyone?

RyanV

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Has anybody upgraded the NS tuning machines? I think they're not too good myself. I was looking for something that I wouldn't have to drill new holes for, but I'm not sure if that's gonna happen.


I did see these Kluson revolution 3 on a side locking tuners. I know Klusons are really good based off experience, and the locking mechanism makes quick gig time string changes really easy too.


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Which NS? The ones on my Aristocrat are Grover Sta-tites. Checking through the specs, it looks like they’re all Sta-tites, which are good quality tuners.

If you’re having tuning issues, it’s probably not the tuning machines. The first culprit to check, esp. with the Korean builds, is the nut. I’ve found really poor quality in the nut slots, which causes the strings to bind. Cleaning them up helps immensely.
 
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I've got the Sta-tites on my Starfire. I guess they're decent enough, just wondering if anybody has felt the need to upgrade them.

I prefer to have locking machines myself.
 

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Although they seem to work fine, it's no secret that I hate them. I have not, as of yet, replaced them, though. Also, I really love commas.
 

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Although they seem to work fine, it's no secret that I hate them. I have not, as of yet, replaced them, though. Also, I really love commas.

At least it's not just me. I have a love hate relationship with them so far.. I'm not sure there are any out there that wouldn't leave me with holes in the headstock.

The Kluson revolutions look like the closest fit that would be a major upgrade. The new Klusons I put on my 68 SG are the best set I've ever had, but they also cost me like $100. I swear I can leave that guitar in the case for months at a time and it stays in tune.
 
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The Sta-Tite 97-18 series tuners on the NS instruments are actually pretty good quality. The problem is that they have a nylon (or similar) washer that gets crushed when the tuners are assembled. This washer keeps everything snug, but it adds a lot of friction. Worse, I found that the ones on my Aristocrat tended to stick. By that I mean that when I would try to tune the instrument, a relatively large amount of friction would need to be overcome first, then the normal amount of friction would be present when tuning. That made small adjustments difficult.

The cure for me was to replace the nylon crush washer with a brass shim and a wavy spring washer. The parts are available from McMaster-Carr. The brass shim is part number 92409A305 and the wavy washer is part number 9714K22.

The guilty washer is under the screw at the end of the worm gear, opposite the key itself. It might be possible to remove it and replace it without removing the tuners from the guitar, but I don't know; I removed the entire set of tuners to do the job. One issue is that they used blue thread-locker on the thread of the screw during assembly. The thread-locker is intended to keep the screw from accidentally coming loose over time, but it makes our job difficult now, especially since the screw head is small and easy to damage. I know from experience that thread-locker will let go if you heat it, so holding a hot soldering iron against it for a few seconds will do the trick. In any case, be sure to use a good screw driver that fits well, not one that's worn or damaged.

Anyway, remove the screw. Remove the nylon washer. Replace the screw with the wavy washer under a shim. No grease or oil is necessary. Now the tuners will turn freely and smoothly.
 

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You'll have to ream out the headstock post holes to 10mm and I think you'll have to plug and redrill one, if not both rear mounting holes to fit those.


Oh, I see. Thanks! They do offer a 8.8 mm press in bushing set too. Would that work without reaming?
 
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Oh, I see. Thanks! They do offer a 8.8 mm press in bushing set too. Would that work without reaming?

Yeah, a press-fit set should eliminate the need to enlarge the post holes. I believe you'll still need to make some new holes on the backside to mount them, though.
 
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