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Here's a close-up of the truss rod area. Looks like maybe somebody did hack out some wood by the nut. Maybe the previous owner tried using a standard nut driver and it wouldn't fit w/o clearing some space? Who knows? I will be taking this to the guitar tech I use and see what he says are my options. Can a piece of wood be glued back in? Should I get a three screw cover and drill small holes for screws. I would like to cover the space to keep junk out of the truss rod area.

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In looking at that headstock photo I don't see a lower hole for the bottom screw!
Precisely.
Think the wood right next to the nut's been removed/access slot's been enlarged for whatever reason, and now that adjusting nut also doesn't look right somehow.
Mine're at home and rarely take off TRC's so memory might be faulty.
But a too-large replacement adjusting nut could explain why the wood was removed to allow access or maybe simply installation.
Do NOT do a 3 screw cover. That's how you can tell a Chinese made guitar apart from the others. American guitars always have 2 screws.
At the moment, humor aside, agreed.
Yes, it's a little bit ugly around the hole but unless something's wrong the the TR itself, it's not really an issue. It looks like somebody tried to turn it with a pair of pliers, or?
It takes a 1/4" nut driver, commonly used on tiny hose clamps.
It has now occurred to me as mentioned above that the nut itself might be a replacement, and that might explain all that. We've periodically been quizzed about what to use for an adjusting tool and yes, 1/4" thinwall socket seems to be the "trick":
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?174612-Tool-for-older-style-truss-rod
Khan if that's larger than 1/4" that's your culprit right there.
YIKES! While I was painstakingly composing all this I see Hans confirmed that exactly.
SO...hope this is still "do-able":

Back to the cover. Yes, there is wood missing, but I wouldn't bother putting it back in. I'd take a cover, and a pair of screws, and just simply glue the lower screw into the cover, install with upper screw, thx to gravity, it stays in place just fine. I've had to do this before.
Much as I respect your efforts with some of your rescue dogs, I still think that leaves a potential for TRC buzzing, maybe even more possible with that unseated screw right next to the nut and possibly contacting it, so I think getting a small piece of wood glued in there to give screw #2 something to be seated in is desirable.
I have the cover and the screws, can send no charge by way of letter. I live to fix stuff, even from a distance, and there's nothing better than fixing a Guild.
The rest of the guys here will tell you how to put it on right ;))
Go for it Khan!
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And moving right along:

My pic does make it look a shade or two lighter than it is but, it seems to really look different in different light and especially at different angles.
Probably the chatoyancy of the 'hog top. Still I can visualize what you mean and it's still the lightest one I can ever recall seeing.
Think Byrne's for example is "Woodgrain Red", in any case that's the dark color I most associate with 'em.

I am coming form being a mainly electric, solid-body player. Stratocasters mostly. And I go for flatter fretboards. I have longer fingers so, a 12" radius feels better. Not sure what the radius is on this guy but, it feels great in my hands. Better than any other acoustic guitar I'd played and I've been looking for quite a while.
Guild announced they had standardized on a 12" radius on everything in '97 and it was already a common spec for 'em so suspect it is, also should be 1-5/8' nut.
It was really hard to hold off and not just buy it at any price but, my cheapness and feeling to need to "make a deal" drove me and gave me resolve to hold out. And much as I wouldn't have wanted to, I was ready to walk on it when we were dealing at GC. The guitar must have been there a fair bit longer than when I came upon it. They probably still made $100 on it. The DM said to go lower, he'd have to contact their vintage office. I don't know if that was true or not but, I figured I would take the deal on the table and I really was happy with it.
As much as we like to bash GC around here for lack of product knowledge, that part jives with things we've heard in the last couple of years.
Actually if this were a more common model I might even suggest asking for a return based on the truss nut problem, but as you're well aware the next one may not come along for quite a while, unless you're willing to open up to different woods on other Fxxce models for the playability you like.
Just look for that 24 fret neck.
The series did go to a 25-5/8 scale neck circa late '94 so those models feel a little different but still use the 12" radius and 1-5/8 nut.
Otherwise I hope you can still recover from that Gibson-style nut by just gluing in some wood to take the 2nd TRC screw, as replacing the rod is probably more trouble than it's worth for most people.

Thanks for the links to appreciate the guitar even more. I haven't checked them out yet but, that's next after submitting this. And I really appreciate your sharing all of this background on this guitar. That is very thoughtful and kind of you, adorshki!
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Hey I got a special place in my heart for the whole "Fxxce" family:
I first found this place when I was trying to find out if my own F65ce had any special cult following or was associated with any famous players, similar mission to yours.
We loves our Guilds around here and want to see all the strays brought home to loving owners where they belong.
My F65ce is responsible for me realizing how important the outline of that model (based on the F40 'grand auditorium' or 16" lower bout jumbo shape dating all the way back to the '50's) was in Guild's history.
They don't even offer that outline now and seem to have conceded the market to Taylor.
And no slam against Taylor but they just don't feel or sound the same.
I love my F65ce to death but to be perfectly honest my own pipe dream is one of those Fxxce bodies with that 24-fret 24-3/4" scale neck and a 1-11/16 nut, something I can't find they ever made.
So I keep my fingers crossed that someday Oxnard'll see the light and bring back the series with my ideal neck.
Or at least take a special order for it.
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I agree, I can't see a lower screwhole either. If it has a nut that's so fat it's sitting on the hole and it plays ok, just file the bottom of the cover (be carful here, this is a Guild ;) until you can fit the upper screw, and if you can hear the singly screwed cover buzzing, you're not playing loud enough ;)
 

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I agree, I can't see a lower screwhole either. If it has a nut that's so fat it's sitting on the hole and it plays ok, just file the bottom of the cover (be carful here, this is a Guild ;) until you can fit the upper screw, and if you can hear the singly screwed cover buzzing, you're not playing loud enough ;)

Nope, see Hans' post #20, the problem isn't a "fat" nut it's a replaced adjusting nut.
And still think TRC buzz could be of the whole TRC against the faceplate due to headstock vibration, unless both ends are firmly screwed into headstock.
Oh yeah silly me, I keep forgetting these have an output jack, I just never plug mine in....
Saaaayyyy...are you just havin' me on again?
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I would think that somebody overtightened the nut and snapped the truss rod or stripped the thread.
Hans explained it perfectly, just for khan to show what seems to have happened and how it could have been saved vs. how it was done on khan's guitar. Go straight to minute 1:10 and it shows the issue:



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Thank you so much for all of this information! I'm overwhelmed with your generosity! What a wonderful forum I've come upon.

Guildedagain, I will take you up on your offer and pm you but, you have to promise to provide return info so that I can compensate your kindness some way.

This truss rod nut revelation does make things interesting. It does look like the end of the rod was broken off. I thought it looked odd but, this information nails it. Before I put in a piece of wood for the other cover screw, I'll take it to my guitar guy and have him take a look around to make sure the rod is doing/will do what it's supposed to. Then, if all is good and if there's no objection, I might trim out a tiny shelf on either side of the opening and glue down a thin piece of wood across the hole to secure the screw. I'll also mention this to the guitar tech and may let him do it as he'd probably have more skill at something like this or have a better idea of how to do it.

You know, part of the reason I wanted to stick with a used guitar was, it would have a history. Call it mojo if you will but, the guitar has had a life up to this point and part of my playing it is to come to terms with its past and meld that past with my part in it for the future. I think I've committed to this guy somehow and now have to see the way to its integrity being maintained. It does play fine. The intonation is great. I checked with a tuner though, I didn't think to go up to the 24th fret and see how intonation holds up there. The neck seems to be straight. It feels great to play. Feels very comfortable sitting with it or standing (I know, that strap does not fit it's character but, is what I have at the moment). I didn't go looking for a Guild or this particular model but, when I saw it, I had a feeling about it and I'm glad so far, that I wound up with the guitar.

I'll get my info to Guildedagain and get the guitar into the guitar tech and report back with my findings and pics of the installed cover and how it happened, as soon as I can.
Again, thank you all so much for all of the information you've offered.
 

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Hans explained it perfectly, just for khan to show what seems to have happened and how it could have been saved vs. how it was done on khan's guitar. Go straight to minute 1:10 and it shows the issue:



Ralf


Thanks for the video clip. This is very helpful. I love StewMac videos
 

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Guitar didn't get in to the tech until today. Holidays and such. He confirmed that the truss rod is working. He may even clear out room for better access than is there now. He's giving it a once over. Some fret dressing (I didn't notice a couple of worn spots on the higher strings. He's going to do some work on the bridge to get intonation even better (i wondered what could be done on acoustics). He's also going to improve the action as it was a bit high. I'm glad I worked a deal on the price but, it sounds like the guitar will be in great shape when it comes back from the hop. He's an old friend from our early music days in the late 70's early 80's. It's good to know folks. I'm looking forward to getting it back and playing the heck out of it!
 

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Not sure what to say about your truss rod, but I live in St. Louis myself, up in U-city to be more precise. Welcome to the forum! Where did you get your Guild to?
 

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Sounds like yr luthier is pretty awesome, it's all about the love for old instruments in need of some tlc.

You'll probably be over the moon when you get it back. I'll try to remember to send the TRC in time, sometimes things don't get done by the end of the day and I don't l know why (lie).

I had a list of things to do yesterday, now I have a list for today...
 

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Sounds like yr luthier is pretty awesome, it's all about the love for old instruments in need of some tlc.

You'll probably be over the moon when you get it back. I'll try to remember to send the TRC in time, sometimes things don't get done by the end of the day and I don't l know why (lie).

I had a list of things to do yesterday, now I have a list for today...

Speaking of which, did you clean up your mailbox so he can send a pm?
And @Khan:
Guilds are notorious for good intonation.
Even with an old-fashioned slant (as opposed to compensated) saddle.
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Larry, Took it to Jon Ferber at JF Guitarworks and Goez Instrument Repair. They're on Sutton in Maplewood. I know Jon from the music scene back in the day. I dropped out and he kept going and is still playing in a variety of forms. He does some fantastic work. If you have anything guitar...you can't go wrong by taking it there.
 

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Guildedagain, We're very fortunate in StL. I can think of four folks I would not hesitate to take my instruments to ask any one of them work on. There are several more, I just don't have experience with them. One of the guys I know had his workbench in a music store downtown and seemed like every band that came through brought gear to him to work on. I used to just go there and hang out when a band was in town and sure enough, they'd show up at some point in the day, Jimmie Gravity is his name. He's been in the biz since the early 70's. He's seen 'am all and they know him by name.

Happy New Year, everybody!
 

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Welcome! Now you get to throw yourself into the Oxnard vs. New Hartford vs. Tacoma vs. Westerly vs. Hoboken vs. Pacific rim vs. NYC debates.

The fun never quits around here!
 
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