New F-512 -- First Impressions

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These really are first impressions, because I've only had it since Friday and my allergies have been killing me, so I haven't played it as much as I would have liked. For those of you unfamiliar with North Carolina, the weather forecast talks about it "snowing yellow." That refers to the pine pollen that falls so prolifically that you can literally scoop it up in piles. Pine pollen is more an irritant than an allergen (because of the large grain sizes) but lots of other pollens are out, too, and I'm feeling pretty miserable. But I digress.

I ended up getting a guitar that Chazmo had played at Union Music in Worcester. There was the smallest little ding in the finish, which made for a great price. I also enjoyed dealing with Union.

I was a bit shocked when I popped the case open to find NO PADDING around the headstock and the instrument tuned to pitch! The carton was well padded and the instrument came through its journey fine but if that baby had fallen over, the headstock likely would have snapped like a carrot in Bugs Bunny's mouth. But all is well, fortunately.

It's a really pretty guitar, as I expected it to be. I really love the jumbo shape with those voluptuous curves. Guild does jumbos as well as anybody and better than most. Things I didn't necessarily expect were the high quality of the pearl and abalone in the block inlays. Very high iridescence and rich color. The abalone looks like paua, with a strong green hue. The saddle and bridge pins are also nicer than I expected, with color variations from ivory to a sort of cafe au lait. These more colorful bits of bone carry a premium over the plainer, more-or-less whitish stuff. The top is a nicely silked hunk of Sitka. The bridge is very nicely sculpted and looks like maybe Madagascar rosewood, with an attractive figure.

I was even more impressed when I looked inside. This thing is immaculate. I own both a Goodall and a Bourgeois guitar and both of those are known for their outrageous fit and finish. This Guild is every bit as nicely made. Not a trace of glue oozing from the kerfed linings. No roughness or splinters where the braces have been carved. Even the hand lettering on the label is neat as a pin.

I also found it to be even more comfortable than the vintage Guilds I've played. I think the body is a tad shallower than some of the older ones and the tight waist has it sitting very nicely on my knee while I play it.

Now, I haven't played a 12-string with any regularity in, like, 40 years. So, it's a bit harder for me to evaluate the feel and tone and I'll reserve final judgment until I've adapted more fully to the instrument. But my initial impressions are certainly very positive. Placing my fingers, especially my pinky, so that it properly frets both strings in a pair took a bit of adjustment after playing 6-strings pretty much exclusively. The neck width and profile felt unfamiliar but not uncomfortable or cumbersome. Chords up the neck worked reasonably well, except for my tendency to deaden one string in a pair occasionally by misplacing a finger. I strummed some chords with bare fingers and with a flatpick, then flatpicked some traditional Irish dance tunes, then did some bare finger fingerpicking, and then put on some fingerpicks. The guitar comported itself well in all modes. I think for blues, I prefer bare finger fingerpicking. It masks the slightly off finger placements and has a more earthy sound that suits the music. While in flat picking mode, I found myself conjuring old melodies I hadn't played in decades -- the usual suspects: Walk Right In, Turn Turn Turn, Mr. Bojangles, and others. It sounded really sweet, despite my still not having adapted my meager playing style to the new configuration.

So, at this point I'm a very happy camper. I don't think this is likely to change, except possibly for the better as I smooth out the rough spots in my technique and the guitar settles in. It can be played gently or with a really firm hand. It can sound sweet or jangly depending on how hard it's pushed. I think this is going to be an excellent tool for a fairly wide range of music.

As I settle in, the histamine level subsides, and get more of a feel for this critter, I'll report back.

Here's the obligatory pic:


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Bob,

Great review and a real beauty of a 12-string! Wow. Simply gorgeous!
Good luck with your allergies. My wife's already feeling the effects over here so I can only imagine how you must feel with all that yellow stuff around.

Take care and stroke that 12'er. Guild makes the best!
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That sure is a beauty you have there Bob, and like Joe says Guild makes the best 12 strings (and I concur). I play my 12er every day, and enjoy it more and more as time goes on. Enjoy it in good health!
 

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twocorgis said:
That sure is a beauty you have there Bob, and like Joe says Guild makes the best 12 strings (and I concur). I play my 12er every day, and enjoy it more and more as time goes on. Enjoy it in good health!

Best 12 strings along with Ovation... :wink:

I'm a fan of this instrument, its sound is almost angelic, and I toyed with the idea of getting a sunburst F-412 some day, I'd love to get a cutaway one to experiment some lead work but unfortunately it's not something in production at the moment.
 

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cuthbert said:
Best 12 strings along with Ovation... :wink:

Hey, I came very close to owning one of them, before the seller did one of those classic Craigslist flake-outs!
 

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I used to own one, simply awesome sounding guitars, congrats! And thanks for the review, it's nice to hear of more good stuff coming out of New Hartford :D
 

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Bob, I"m thrilled for ya'! Whew, this shipping stuff always gives me the willies, but I'm glad it worked out. I never asked Carl if the factory ships to the store that way... I think I'll ask that at LMG.

Y'know the body is thinner in recent years than in the '80s and '90s. If I recall, they were trying to go back to specs that were similar to the older F-bodies. I don't know when that started. I did a full set of measurements on my 2006 model, and I wonder if your dimensions are the same as Tacoma's were... Have a look through my thread:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6475

I noticed some natural coloring on the faceplate of your guitar that made me certain the New Hartford guys are using wood there. I'm 99% certain my faceplate is some sort of black plastic (of course I like wood better! :)).

I'm particularly glad that you're liking the quality. That's how I felt as well. Couldn't find anything to pick on!

Use it in good health, man, and I hope the allergies pass soon.
 

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Yah, congrats Bob! Don't forget to measure all that stuff for Chaz before anything drifts out of spec! :lol:
 

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twocorgis said:
cuthbert said:
Best 12 strings along with Ovation... :wink:

Hey, I came very close to owning one of them, before the seller did one of those classic Craigslist flake-outs!

I suggest the custom legend 6759:

6759-5_Ovation_Custom_Legend_12S_3.jpg


It's the best of the line, unfortunately it was a rare custom shop model, got mine for my graduation, probably I'll be buried with that guitar...having said that, I woudl like to add a new 412...
 

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cuthbert said:
It's the best of the line, unfortunately it was a rare custom shop model, got mine for my graduation, probably I'll be buried with that guitar...having said that, I woudl like to add a new 412...
Only thing I got against Ovations is they remind me of a girlfriend I once had who also had an unusual backside...she could never manage to stay in my lap either.....
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cuthbert said:
[I suggest the custom legend 6759:

6759-5_Ovation_Custom_Legend_12S_3.jpg


It's the best of the line, unfortunately it was a rare custom shop model, got mine for my graduation, probably I'll be buried with that guitar...having said that, I woudl like to add a new 412...

That's a beauty Cuthbert, but I'm glad I ended up getting the Guild. I never really could warm up to my old Custom Legend. It had a great neck, but that was about it. :roll:
 

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adorshki said:
Only thing I got against Ovations is they remind me of a girlfriend I once had who also had an unusual backside...she could never manage to stay in my lap either.....
:lol:

That was part of the reason I didn't really get along with my old Ovation 6er. Well, that and the crappy sound (well, I was used to a D50).

My favorite quote was back when Jorma Kaukonen was playing them, and he referred to them as "Canoe Paddles". :lol:
 
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devellis said:
These really are first impressions,...

...

Here's the obligatory pic:

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that is a georgeous guitar...

I like that Guild installs those leightweight tuners now instead of the closed heavy ones...

Congrats...

PIT... :)
 

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Thanks, PIT. The more I play it, the better I like it. I just played it back-to-back with my Goodall 6-string, which is a great guitar. While they're very different, both were equally enjoyable to play. I've been out of town and haven't touched a guitar in 2 weeks. With both of these, as I played, i found myself marveling at their tone. The Goodall cost about twice what the Guild did, so saying that it held its own with that guitar (although, again, they're very different) is high praise. Both play beautifully and have an impressive and distinctive voice. The build quality of the Guild is also on a par with the Goodall which, again, is very high praise. Despite the higher prices of more recent Guilds compared to the old days, I think they're still a very good value.

Chords just sound glorious on the 512 and flatpicking works surprisingly well (at least I'm surprised; I never thought of 12 strings as that flatpick-friendly). I haven't gotten comfortable enough fingerpicking the 12 to evaluate it fairly but I think it'll do well once I'm up to the task.
 
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