My New CV-1C

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Where did the weekend go to?! I figured I would have posted this way before now, but .... you know how it goes.

Anyway, I was waiting to see if I could get some pictures of it to go with the post, but discovered at the 11th hour that the batteries in this camera were done. Will post photos later on.

It's a sweetie! Very pretty, though not blingy. Very nice woods: some of the nicest IRW I've seen. The Madagascar Rosewood on the bridge and fretboard has beautiful figuring. The guitar has beautiful lines and both looks and feels smaller than it is. I measured the lower bout which is indeed just under 16 inches wide(15 13/16) and 4 3/8 deep. 9 1/4 " waist. Perfect size for me; extremely comfortable to hold.

Big, rich tone. Overall more deep than bright-sounding, but the treble strings ring out strongly and can keep up with the very strong bass and mids, but are very round and not so shimmery or sparkley. Nothing brittle-sounding or tinny about this guitar. The tone seems moderately complex and with pretty good sustain. Already sounds pretty open to me. I'd be curious to hear from others who have owned CV or CO-1s for a while, how the tone changes over time.

My only real concern was the neck. This is my first Guild and am more used to "modern", low profile neck contours with the 1 3/4" nuts. This guitar's neck profile is definitely more on the thick side. HOWEVER, I'm finding it very playable. It came with high action and I sanded the saddle down to where it is medium-low. There is very little saddle left above the bridge now, so I'm a bit concerned about the neck angle. As soon as I can locate a Local Guild/Fender-certified tech, I'll get it looked at. That aside, I am very satisfied with the fit and finish.

I think this guitar is very nice and is a lot of guitar for the $ and I am pleased. Thanks to all the forumites who have posted info and answered questions about the Contemporaries, which ultimately allowed me to take the plunge.
 

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New CV-1

Congrats. I love mine. I did lower the action on mine. These guitars have a very strong voice. Huryy with pix. :!:
 

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The action in my CO 1 was high as well. The neck on mine seems similar to the other Gulds I have, slim & trim. 1 3/4 fingerboard is easier to play clean chords particularly when learning new fingerings.

Dan at American Music in Fremont shaved the saddle & slotted the bridge for the high E & B strings. Resulted in a significant improvement in sound. Really brightened it up. I wish he could have done the job without the little chip in the bridge. I'd a found the piece & reglued it.

My CO 1's not really much smaller that the CV's, more of a different shape. Seems like the CV 1's have a smaller upper bout that compensates for the bigger body. I've played 2 or 3 CV 1C's in shops & I think the CO 1 stacks up pretty well acoustically.


[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid224/p0a4d18f6c4026d90120c9a9785b4fc50/eaa48ef0.jpg[/img] [img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid224/p2fa2083319a72d40c69bcfa4b93726d0/eaa48f26.jpg[/img]














[img:338:450]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid215/pcc399e471daf29a860e11f7d61bc3a5a/ecdb7e9c.jpg[/img] [img:338:450]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid223/p364ddb4b9eb7ca7294064a1ea9751b5b/eb0eb93e.jpg[/img] Pretty mahogany body, plenty loud enough for my needs, nice bass, more than you would think with a thumbpick.



So far I've not been sorry I bought the CO 1. Perhaps with the exception of the very first CV 1 I saw at Bing K's place in Montana. No cutaway & no D Tar but it was special little guitar:
[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid213/p812e6a70578a5ef8ca1538f2fe4eff1a/ed472bc7.jpg[/img]
 

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Thanks guys! And yes, pictures will be forthcoming.

Speaking of which, many thanks to Jeff for posting those shots of your reworked bridge slots and saddle. Wow, didn't think of having the treble slots done, but I think I might request it. Looking at your saddle height, it looks very similar to mine and it sounds like Grant had his brought down also, so I'm thinking that that's the way they all come. Filing the slots should give a little better break angle, though I'm still thinking that if the top bellies over the years, there might not be enough saddle left to compensate with.

By the way, did your guitars come with a bone saddle? I'm not sure whether or not mine is bone vs. synthetic. I guess I'd prefer to have bone, unless it matters for the pick-up or something.
 

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Okay, here are some photos of my CV-1C. Hopefully they come over from PhotoBucket okay.

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Sweet.

I'm falling more and more for that body style over the dread, however, my DV-52 is sounding better all the time.

I like the cutaway on the CV as well.

Nice pics.
 

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Huh????

Still didn't work: we got pictures instead of links and they didn't fit the format here! Not sure why; any suggestions?
 

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Great looking guitar Z. You'd better listen to Graham, that guy can do ANYTHING with a picture! :D

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My CV-1C, she thanks you guys for the love. Yes, she knows she's a head-turner.

I'm on my laptop now and am happy to see that the thumbnails came through for the most part on this screen. On my old PC monitor, the last 2 or 3 got cut off. I think what I was trying to do was to upload the links(URLs), so that people could click on them and get larger photos. But, I guess I uploaded thumbnails instead. Anyway, I find it strange how the thumbnails, as well as the full photos, arranged themselves horizontally across the page, thereby running out of space. When I've transferred images from PhotoBucket to other sites, I believe they've come through vertically. That's what I was confused about.
 

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I find it strange how the thumbnails, as well as the full photos, arranged themselves horizontally across the page, thereby running out of space.


You are correct, pictures are difficult to arrange. Play around with the space bar & after a while you'll figure out how to arrange multiple photos.

Nice pic's by the way, real pretty guitar.
 

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There have been some recent threads regarding strings for traditional Guilds. What strings are you guys using on Contemporary models, i.e. phosphor bronze vs. 80/20s, favorite brands, etc. I'm assuming that you all are sticking with lights.
 

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I located a Guild-certified guitar tech who I plan to have look over my new guitar within a couple of weeks for further action adjustments, etc.
Folks on the AGF were recommending that I have the neck angle checked, which he can do. I'm also going to take a look at slotting the string holes in the bridge, as Jeff had done.

But, as someone totally new to pick-ups, I'd like to tap the collective wisdom of this forum as to whether/not the presence of an UST can have any effect on a guitar's tone when played purely accoustically? In other words, if you remove the UST and refit a new saddle to adjust for the height difference, will the guitar sound any different?
Reason for the question: I have little need for the electronics at present and the acoustic tone is very much my priority. It seems logical that having that UST element sandwiched between the saddle and bridge slot might effect transfer of vibrations.

Any opinions, experiences?
 

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zplay said:
I'd like to tap the collective wisdom of this forum as to whether/not the presence of an UST can have any effect on a guitar's tone when played purely accoustically? In other words, if you remove the UST and refit a new saddle to adjust for the height difference, will the guitar sound any different?
Reason for the question: I have little need for the electronics at present and the acoustic tone is very much my priority. It seems logical that having that UST element sandwiched between the saddle and bridge slot might effect transfer of vibrations.

Any opinions, experiences?
I think this is an interesting question Z. I have no personal experience but I have been pondering which system to go with on my D-55 for a while now. So I've studied the opinions of many on the topic, here and from other sources. Generally the opinion seems to be that it does not affect acoustic tone - as long as it's installed correctly. You're right, of course, vibration obviously has to be transmitted through the saddle and the UST to reach the bridge and soundboard, so making sure it fits flat, with no gaps between the bridge and saddle seems to be the key. As long as that is okay, there shouldn't be a negative effect on acoustic tone. Others contend that the need to drill a tiny hole through the bridge for the UST's wire might actually have a tiny affect on tone.

Some of these questions and optimal conditions required for under-saddle technology have bent me towards getting one of the systems attached to the bridge plate inside the axe instead. I think a good UST sounds great, but I'm convinced the bridge-plate-mounted systems are as good or better - maybe becasue they are picking up the vibration at the bridge and soundboard, rather than intercepting it. And they are less invasive and easier to install; fewer variables and less to go wrong. I decided to go with the LR Baggs iBeam system. It will be installed next month while I'm on vacation. Curiously, regarding my other Guild, I told my luthier that I was still very satisfied with the Barcus-Berry Hot Dots that had been installed at the factory when I ordered it years ago. He agreed there should be no reason to supplant those at all. So I'm just getting a new pre-amp for them.

Anyway, that's my 2¢. Where's my change? :)
 

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Thanks Guildmark.
It's good to hear that most people don't see a detriment acoustically with a properly-installed UST. But, I certainly understand why you'ld want to go with a soundboard pickup. Look forward to your report after your iBeam is installed. Good luck!
 
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