My F30R is opening up. It is louder, noticeably, than even 2 weeks ago...I know this is a thing...right?

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Here I discuss this phenomenon, which I have realized with this particular Guild acoustic, literally in the past week or so. It cannot be the strings...

It was made in 1998, but I have no idea how much or little it was played by various owners. I have played it a lot. It is noticeably louder...

 

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I believe in it.
Just out of curiosity have you tracked your own playing time or think you could calculate rough estimate based on average weekly playing time, something like that?

My D25 did it at about 250 hours, think the D40 was similar but wasn't paying as close attention to it.

Other less obvious causes are a period of slightly lower humidity than the ideal 45-55%, the drier wood naturally resonates a bit better. How's your weather been, aren't you coming out of an unseasonable wet period?
 

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3-5 hrs per week since I bought it.
I forget when I bought it. 😂
february of 21? Call it 7-8 months. Ballpark, 150 hours so far.

but I play it like a dread when strumming it so that helps shake the top up more.
 
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I am a believer. I noticed a definite difference in a couple used guitars I bought that hadn’t been played in a long while. It’s not just for new guitars. Used ones can go to sleep if ignored for too long.
 

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Interesting observation Woody!
I think they can change as you're playing them - body heat, moisture, etc -
playing the same guitar for several hours, at a jam session for example,
I feel like the sound changes and even the action slightly, depending on
how active things get. I mean, we get warmed up too, so why not the guitar?:)
 

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IMO every guitar I’ve ever owned sounds and feels a little different day to day. The most obvious influence I’ve noted is humidity. I’ve also noticed if my hands are more sweaty, the guitar begins to sound more muted quickly. The other day I was playing and was like- wow my guitar sounds so lively … then I realized my hands were totally dry because it was a bit chilly and breezy with the window open.

I personally have no idea on the “opening up” stuff … I’d say my inclination is that it’s more perception than reality (or other factors like weather, strings, etc), but I think it’s reasonable that a guitar would sound different over the years too.

One thing impossible to rule out is perception and physical elements in the human being. For instance- a little bit of allergies or sinus or ear issues (or those issues being resolved unknowingly) can change the sound too.

And of course comparing one guitar to another. I remember when I was playing an F50, then went back to the D44, the D44 all of the sudden sounded dark and small.
 

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IMO every guitar I’ve ever owned sounds and feels a little different day to day. The most obvious influence I’ve noted is humidity. I’ve also noticed if my hands are more sweaty, the guitar begins to sound more muted quickly. The other day I was playing and was like- wow my guitar sounds so lively … then I realized my hands were totally dry because it was a bit chilly and breezy with the window open.
And in fact there was exceptionally low humidity in the bay area a couple of days ago, I think it was like 30% up there in Oakland and 15% here in San Jose. :wow:

Re the warming up thing I've noticed that too especially recently when temps are falling, and especially on the D40 which is tuned to D right now. But I think part of that is strings warming up too.
 

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Definitely a thing , great news to that you can hear that , over time you can hear it sweeten to if I can say like that . Lol

your training your ears that’s a great perk ! 😁
 

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In 2018 I bought a used NH 2012 F-30R Standard from a small guitar store in Atlanta which mostly carries nice upper end guitars (Collings, Santa Cruz, Lowden, Martin, etc.). When I compared it to a new Martin and Collings OM size the Guild's volume placed a far distant third? The tone was nice...but it was much more quiet compared to the others, even though the guitar was 6 years old? However since it was used it was 1/2 the price of the new Martin, and 1/3 of the price of the new Collings! It also was the closest to my budget on that day and regardless of it's soft voice I was still drawn to it for some reason...but that's another story.

Anyway I took it home and played it pretty hard at least 3-4 times a week, for 1-2 hours a day, for about a year. I was trying to learn guitar, so I mostly strummed a lot of cowboy chords and was trying to keep up with a friend of mine who owned a Martin Dreadnought.

At the of end of the first year I took the guitar back to store to have it looked over. Part of the deal when I bought the guitar was 1 year of service, so I wanted to take advantage of any fine adjustments if needed. When it was time to pick it up I also decided to borrow another Martin and Collings off the wall and do the comparison test again. Since my Guild was the only OM I had heard throughout the past year it would be fun to hear the others again. I was stunned, and so were the owners of the store. The F-30R opened up so much it easily blew away both the Martin and Collings! I couldn't believe how much deeper and resonate it was. So, I compared it to a new Martin Dreadnought in the store as well and I would say it practically tied on volume, although the tone was different.

Now flash forward a few years later.

My niece now owns that F-30R and it's her first guitar. She has a very, very light touch and purposely plays as soft as she can so she doesn't wake anybody up when she's trying to practice at night. She's also into other things besides guitar, so my guess is the guitar may sit idle for weeks at a time. The last time I played it...that huge sound I heard from my old F-30R had quieted down a bit.

I totally agree with the comments about the impact of constant playing, and how guitars can go to sleep too.

Maybe it's time to consider a Tonerite?

Anybody have a good experience with one of these?

Anyway, all the best with your F30R. - Robert
 
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My '11 NH F-30RCE has definitely opened up. Not played much at all by the previous owner. I play it a lot. I posted elsewhere about using DR Rare strings, .11 - .50. Still plenty of volume!

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Here I discuss this phenomenon, which I have realized with this particular Guild acoustic, literally in the past week or so. It cannot be the strings...

It was made in 1998, but I have no idea how much or little it was played by various owners. I have played it a lot. It is noticeably louder...



Different beer?

Tommy
 

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In 2018 I bought a used NH 2012 F-30R Standard from a small guitar store in Atlanta which mostly carries nice upper end guitars (Collings, Santa Cruz, Lowden, Martin, etc.). When I compared it to a new Martin and Collings OM size the Guild's volume placed a far distant third? The tone was nice...but it was much more quiet compared to the others, even though the guitar was 6 years old? However since it was used it was 1/2 the price of the new Martin, and 1/3 of the price of the new Collings! It also was the closest to my budget on that day and regardless of it's soft voice I was still drawn to it for some reason...but that's another story.

Anyway I took it home and played it pretty hard at least 3-4 times a week, for 1-2 hours a day, for about a year. I was trying to learn guitar, so I mostly strummed a lot of cowboy chords and was trying to keep up with a friend of mine who owned a Martin Dreadnought.

At the of end of the first year I took the guitar back to store to have it looked over. Part of the deal when I bought the guitar was 1 year of service, so I wanted to take advantage of any fine adjustments if needed. When it was time to pick it up I also decided to borrow another Martin and Collings off the wall and do the comparison test again. Since my Guild was the only OM I had heard throughout the past year it would be fun to hear the others again. I was stunned, and so were the owners of the store. The F-30R opened up so much it easily blew away both the Martin and Collings! I couldn't believe how much deeper and resonate it was. So, I compared it a new Martin Dreadnought in the store and I would say it practically tied on volume, although the tone was different.

Now flash forward a few years later.

My niece now owns that F-30R and it's her first guitar. She has a very, very light touch and purposely plays as soft as she can so she doesn't wake anybody body up when she's trying to practice at night. She's also into other things besides guitar, so my guess is the guitar may sit idle for weeks at a time. The last time I played it...that huge sound I heard from my old F-30R had quieted down a bit.

I totally agree with the comments about the impact of constant playing, and how guitars can go to sleep too.

Maybe it's time to consider a Tonerite?

Anybody have a good experience with one of these?

Anyway, all the best with your F30R. - Robert
I have one, tried it on a few guitars that hadn't been played much, even though they were older. Didn't notice much difference. Never tried it on a new one, mainly because I haven't gotten a new one since I've had the Tonerite. I'd be willing to lend it out if someone wants to give it a go, I just have to remember where I put it!
 

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My Martin M 36 was like that. Left in it's case for a month or two, I had to play it for an hour or so to wake it up. I don't think it was an opening up situation in the way the term is used for new guitars. Many will call this hogwash, but it was what I heard.
 
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