Looking for tuner advice / & a link for a vintage S-100('73)

Qvart

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So I have this '96 S-100. The G-string tuner is shot. Such a common occurrence. The B-string's not too healthy either. Grover tuners (stock, I believe). You all know what I'm talking about: the string's flat so you start to tune up when you here the telltale *click" and the string jumps halfway to the next note.

Anyway, I picked up the old axe today and just happened to lift it in such a way that the headstock passed by my left ear, the good one, which is when I just happened to hear a very distinct rattle. So I repeated the motion and sure enough there it was again. I immediately reached the conclusion it was the dastardly offending tuner, but being the rational empiricist that I am I had to test my hypothesis. So I repeated the motion with the headstock turned the other way. Sure enough the sound was much fainter. Turned the headstock back and heard it much clearer again.

I have never noticed a rattle sound before in a tuner. But maybe I have and just don't remember, which is a common theme in my life. And I am in no way familiar with the inner workings of sealed tuners (literally). I mean I know how they're set up, but whatever. I try to entertain a bit, or at least not bore, with my language in these posts, but eloquence escapes me (de do do do de da da da) with this sentence so on to the next one...

I believe I will be replacing these tuners in the very near future. And being that there are so many Guild experts on this heyah bohd, I though'tch'all migh' have some ken as to a good ruhplacement? Something maybe drop in without too much trouble?

And now I'm reminded of something that can set off a (very bad) new trend around here. If you've never seen it, take a look at this site and humor yourself a bit:

http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/

By the way, here's a visual of the little bastardos:

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Much love. And my git says so too. Even though she harbors traitors to the rock cause.


*PS: Tell someone to bid on this and get the price up up up! (And by * I mean see footnote with the sorta matching pastel blue color. I forget exactly which blue I chose for it. Close enough. And yes I am the kind of dork who would use a footnote on a message board. And wonder what the HTML code would be for Hume's missing shade of blue.)

I'm sure someone has already found this, but here's a '73 for sale:

http://www.mygear.com/items/view/16056?src=google_base
 

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I have a set that I slapped onto my SG a while ago. They were in storage for a little while and had a rattle to them. There's a phillipshead screw on the end of the tuner...give it a twist to tighten it up. For me, it made the rattling go away and the SG never goes out of tune now. Good luck!
 

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You know, the thought didn't even occur to me. I just assumed normal and wear and tear for 13 years probably would have done them in.

Anyway, I tightened up the screws on the ends, and also the mounting screws and the nuts around the posts. The rattle is gone but the G and B strings still go out of tune. I played for a bit and did a lot of bends and whatnot to put some stress on them and at first they didn't stay in tune any better. After a few retunings they seemed a bit better, but I'm not sure. So I'll give it a bit of playing time and see.

My housemate suggested investing in some good tuners with really high ratios. And he's right: I love this guitar and if the tuners don't hold up I'll replace them with something really good. I might ask for more advice from those in the know so I can try to avoid things like drilling new holes in the headstock.

Thanks!
 

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Well, I just pounded the hell out of the strings for about a half hour and it stayed in tune much better.

Thanks for the advice! Why I didn't think of all that is beyond me...
 

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Qvart said:
I'm sure someone has already found this, but here's a '73 for sale: http://www.mygear.com/items/view/16056?src=google_base
Hi Qvart ... the text for the linked guitar doesn't say whether the tuners rattle or not ... :wink: If you get tired of being out of tune or tightening your tuners, you might start by poking around here:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guit ... ghead.html

Everything from pricey but not-matching Waverly Wafers to machines that trim the ends for you ... Stew-Mac does not yet stock the motorized, self-tuning models with the satellite uplink to the atomic clock. If you click the 'Specs' tab, they provide dimensions including mounting holes to confirm alignment with existing ones. I enjoyed your version of Manfred Mann's Do Wa Diddy (Ditty in the UK) Welcome to LTG! CJ
 

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If it comes down to replacement, I'm a huge proponent of 18:1 Grover Rotomatics. They should be direct for your kind of lover, and they'll up the ante on precision.
 

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danerectal said:
If it comes down to replacement, I'm a huge proponent of 18:1 Grover Rotomatics. They should be direct for your kind of lover, and they'll up the ante on precision.

I'll keep those in mind. I'd go crazy if I still had my Stew-Mac employee discount (30%!!!!).

(BTW: that was the Police up above).
 
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