Linseed Oil on Fretboards

nutmegger1957

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I was wondering what you folks think of small amounts of linseed oil being wiped on to a Fingerboard?

There's a Taylor video floating around that shows the guy using it, but I don't know the long term affects of using it.

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Nutmegger, we've been chatting a bit about this stuff in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12184

Bottom line is that most folks feel you should avoid silicone or other petroleum distillates. My luthier feels a properly oiled fretboard is important here in the northeast because of dryness problems that otherwise set in. That said, silicone or possibly other additives could get in the way of fretboard repair, particularly if a fret needs some gluing... You don't want something that will make adhesives unusable. That said, I think there are a lot of safe products to use on your fretboard (just a little is necessary, by the way). Some other folks think you should use oil at all. Taylor, of course, recommends boiled linseed oil. I would recommend bore oil (a woodwind protective oil). I'd stay away from anything intended for lubrication or essentially use on metal.

I use 0000 steel wool on my fretboards to basically get the junk off, and then I apply a very light coating of oil. This maybe 2 - 3 times a year. Ebony needs less than rosewood.

Just my $0.02.
 

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Aren't all Taylor fretboards ebony? So, linseed oil may be different on rosewood which I think is more porous, therefore maybe requires a thicker oil to not soak in as much? :? Steffan
 

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taabru45 said:
Aren't all Taylor fretboards ebony? So, linseed oil may be different on rosewood which I think is more porous, therefore maybe requires a thicker oil to not soak in as much? :? Steffan
Hi Steffan... I think the idea is to get some of the oil to get into the wood pores and to absorb into the wood. I don't know if porosity is the reason for less absorption, but ebony is, I think, simply a harder wood than rosewood. Denser, that is.

In any case, there's no problem to speak of here... Ebony is just far more resistant to dehydration issues than rosewood and mahogany (at least in my experience). Bottom line, you'll get much less shrinkage out of an ebony fretboard than out of rosewood, say... So, the rosewood is better off with more protection (more absorbed oil, and of course humidity).
 

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I've used boiled linseed oil on fretboards and bridges for 35 years with no problems and am not aware of any objections to using it. 'Course my lack of awareness doesn't mean there aren't good reasons you shouldn't.
 

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Thanks guys, good news, cause I just came across some double boiled linseed oil, that I forgot I had..How long do you figure a gallon of it will last/ :lol: :lol: Steffan
 

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taabru45 said:
..., .....How long do you figure a gallon of it will last/ :lol: :lol: Steffan

Couldn't say for sure, I've had the same quart for 25+ yrs, bought it used at a yard sale for a quarter.

Supposedly, if you buff linseed oil hard enough to develop heat it sets up to nice varnish like finish. Personally I've never been able to make it work.
 

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Ok, lemme ask these questions:

1. The fret board on my GAD-50 is made of what?
2. What IS "Linseed oil" anyway?
3. Why is it "boiled?"

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nutmegger1957 said:
Ok, lemme ask these questions:

1. The fret board on my GAD-50 is made of what?
2. What IS "Linseed oil" anyway?
3. Why is it "boiled?"

-Nutmegger1957

Fretboard is rosewood, according to the Guild web site (that and a buck will get you a coffee).

It oil from flax seeds, nutmegger.

No idea, but my guess is it wouldn't stay put in the oven for a good baking. ;)
 

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OK Nutmegger, here goes! I knew it was flax seed oil......here is 'the rest of the story and a good site to check out, very useful.
.http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infpai/inflin.html
Linseed oil is a slow-drying liquid with good preservative properties and water resistance.

Before the advent of modern preservatives and synthetics, it was commonly used as a stand-alone preservative for wood, natural (hemp) rope, and masonry, as a conditioner for natural boar's hair paint brushes, and as an additive for oil paints. It was also valuable inside as a furniture finish and for wood floors.

It was found that the addition of solvents such as mineral spirits, japan drier, and turpentine would speed linseed oil's drying time, making it a more useful product. After all, what good is putting a preservative on your deck in the spring if you wouldn't be able to use it till the fall?

Which is the 'right' linseed oil for the job... Raw or Boiled?

"Raw" linseed oil is just that... linseed oil mercilessly squeezed from flax seed and packaged with no additional additives or preservatives. Raw linseed oil dries very slowly, taking weeks to fully cure. You should limit its use to the insides of wood gutters, chopping blocks, sawhorses, and other items exposed to the elements where drying time is not a consideration.

Slow drying is a mixed blessing. For oil-based paints, slow drying is a benefit, since this allows the paint to "level" itself, giving a smoother finish with fewer brush marks. The best looking paint jobs are invariably oil paint jobs, without question. However, when used as a wood preservative for items that are handled or walked on, such as tool handles, furniture, or wood decks, long drying times are undesirable.

Enter boiled linseed oil...

"Boiled" linseed oil is not boiled. The actual boiling of some oils changes their drying characteristics, true. With linseed oil, though, it is the addition of certain solvents that causes linseed oil to dry more quickly, acting as if it were boiled. This makes it a better product for preserving tool handles, decks, and furniture. I suppose they should have named it "sort-of-boiled linseed oil", or "kinda-like-boiled-but-not-really-boiled linseed oil". You know... to make it less confusing. Uh huh.

Linseed oil, extracted from flax seed, is one of the most useful natural oils. It is used as a preservative for wood, concrete, and an ingredient in paints, varnishes, and Poor excuse for a flax flower... sorry, horticulturists everywhere!stains.
Boiled linseed oil

Boiled linseed oil is used as a paint binder or as a wood finish on its own. Heating the oil causes it to polymerize and oxidize, effectively making it thicker and shortening its drying time. Today most products labeled as "boiled linseed oil" are a combination of raw linseed oil, petroleum-based solvent and metallic dryers. The use of metallic dryers makes boiled linseed oil inedible. There are some products available that contain only heat-treated linseed oil, without exposure to oxygen. Heat treated linseed oil is thicker and dries very slowly. This grade of linseed oil is usually labeled as "polymerized" or "stand" oil, though some types may still be labeled as "boiled".

Wood finish

When used as a wood finish, linseed oil dries slowly and shrinks little upon hardening. Linseed oil does not cover the surface as varnish does, but soaks into the (visible and microscopic) pores, leaving a very shiny but not glossy surface that shows off the grain of the wood. Wood treated with linseed oil is resistant to denting and scratches and is easily repaired, but the surface is not as hard as a modern varnish, and the wood will slowly absorb moisture if allowed to stay wet. Soft wood is protected from denting, but requires numerous applications and even more drying time than harder wood. Garden furniture treated with linseed oil may develop mildew. Oiled wood can be yellowish and can darken with age.

Linseed oil is a traditional finish for gun stocks, and a very fine finish may require months to obtain. Several coats of linseed oil is the traditional protective coating for the raw willow wood of cricket bats. Fire departments treat the wood handles of hand tools that have metal implements (e.g. axes, plaster hooks) with linseed oil to prevent buildup of static electricity.[citation needed] Linseed oil is also often used by billiards/pool cue-makers cue shafts, as a lubricant/protectant for wooden recorders, and used in place of epoxy to seal modern wooden surfboards.
......................................so it seems to me that a thin application, a couple of times a year would be the way to go....I'm gonna start doing that....thanks for asking, Nutmegger. :D Steffan
 

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Hey, Doc... it totally depends on the guitar. I have some ebony fretboards that I oil maybe once a year. Rosewood usually 2 - 3 times a year. You'll definitely see rosewood suck up the oil more.

REmember, we're talking *very* light coating here. I put a couple of drops on my index finger and rub it up and down the fingerboard. That's all it takes.

I do the bridge too, by the way (again, especially rosewood).
 

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Fair question...........I change my strings about once a month, and I don't always take them off as a collective. I often take them off individually.

Sounds like once every couple or three months is sufficient, is that right?

-Nutmegger1957

P.S. One thing I DIDN'T do this morning, was oil the Bridge. Yet I see that it is recommended by some. Ok, "it's wood" and can dry out, but I'm assuming that it needs oiling even less than the fingerboard, no?
 

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Hi Doc: I'm with Chazmo on the linseed oil but there's a three page LTG Oil On The Fingerboard Thread running where other folks say otherwise. I also oil bridges so they don't look like they could use oil but check the other thread, some wisdom there as well as folks saying nothing at all is better than something. CJ
 

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Here's Frank Ford's advice on cleaning... see page 2 for his take on oiling the fretboard. I keep all my guitars out on stands or hanging, and it may be the climate here (tho' the room is humidified), but I do see the bridges and fretboards look dry after a few months (I notice it with the bridges more than the fretboards). So, I do use a light wipe of lemon oil on fingerboards and bridges ~twice a year. I don't use it on the NC finish.

And note the familiar pickguard shape and oval label on the guitar in the third pic, page 1.
 

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I've used it on RW boards for 30+ and ebony ones for the past 4 years with great results. I moisten a Q-Tip with the oil, apply a light coating onto the board between frets, do about 3-5 frets at a time, and then go back to the 1st fret and buff strong with a cotton T-shirt. I also do this for the bridge. In NJ I did this 2-3x a year (on RW). Now that I live here in humid S FL I'm down to 1-2x for RW and 1x a year for the ebony board & bridge on my Taylor 814.

Best bet is to use it sparingly & don't let it sit on the board for too long (more than a minute or so). You will notice your fret board is sticky/gummy if you dont buff it all off, or use too much.
 
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