Lifetime acoustic player getting the urge to buy a jazz guit

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Man...hanging out in here is starting to make me wanna buy one of these arch-tops...and I know nothing about them. I've never owned one....as a matter of fact...I haven't owned an amp since 1968...but I sure have felt the urge to splurge. My wife is not helping with the GAS...she's been encouraging me as a matter of fact...lol. You archtop guys...clue me in on what make/model I need if I wanna jazz guitar.
 

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Fancy running into you here! First of all, your question is a big one!

The answers to a few questions may help folks narrow down your best options. Most Guild archtops are electric, though they made some fine acoustic archtops as well. Moving into the electric world of course requires amplification, another consideration.

What is your budget? Do you like newer instruments, beat-up old ones, or are you willing to pay a premium for nice vintage gear?
 

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Steve Hoffman said:
Shawn - That's a good suggestion!
man I wish I hadn't chosen a number for a handle in here...even I am getting a little tired of being referred to as a number now....sounded like a good idea at the time...using my serial number from my F-50...ughhh....lolShawn
Add "call me Shawn" to your signature line.
 

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AlohaJoe said:
Fancy running into you here! First of all, your question is a big one!

What is your budget? Do you like newer instruments, beat-up old ones, or are you willing to pay a premium for nice vintage gear?
hmmm...I guess my best answer to all those questions is...I've never bought a guitar based on anything but how it sounds....I'm talking to my wife now about this....lol....hmmm...this may take a while...
 

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AlohaJoe said:
Fancy running into you here! First of all, your question is a big one!

What is your budget?
I currently live on beanieweenies and cigarrettes. Don't tell me I gotta give up beanieweenies to buy a good jazz guitar.
 

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Shawn eats another beanieeweenie and smokes another cigarette
Thanks Steffan....thats probably the best place to start...are you still happy with your Silvertone?
 

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I just adjusted the pickups a little higher, recommended by my luthier...this thing blows me away....seriously, not a lot of difference between this and my Epiphone Sheriton Soundwise...with vintage Gibson 490 pickups....seriously....for the money......A M A Z I N G. I am as happy with this as any of my Guilds....just a sweet guitar....my suggestion.....just do it...Steffan
 

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If you like old Silvertones, Godin makes an acoustic archtop called a 5th Avenue; another with a P-90 called a Kingpin; and one with a cutaway and two P-90's called Kingpin II.

I had a 5th Ave, and a Kingpin II. Godin's website shows him as a youngster with a ('60's?) Harmony H-162 jazzer, which I think he took his inspiration from for this series.

These are nice acoustically responsive archtops, and cheaper than most Guilds (but not by much when it comes to used Guild archtop hollowbodies), depending.

I liked mine, but am actually happier with my used '06 X-150D (in the avatar). It sounds better plugged in, doesn't hum, and the neck is superb! Looks better too.

Otherwise, I think archtops (even with a couple pickups screwed onto them) have a distinctive dry midrangey sound -acoustically- that I associate with jazz music.
Joe Pass cut his seminal record on Concord, "Virtuoso," on an ES-175 with the F-holes taped off. They somehow lost the electric tracks, so the acoustic sound is all that ever made it onto the finished product (with just a hint of amp bleeding into the acoustic mic). Yet it is still the quintessential jazz tone, even from a taped off laminated 16" production guitar!

I have had some very nice American made archtops, including a Gibson L5, and I am fully satisfied by my bottom-of-the-jazz-line Guild Savoy.

But I'll now let you in on a little secret: recently I bought a used made-in-China Ibanez AF-75 for an around the house "beater," so I could leave my nice Guild in its case when the dogs are scampering around, etc.
Here's the rub: at $220 used, the Ibanez is almost the equal of the Guild in terms of playability and unplugged sound!
Naturally it needs better pickups to get it into the same league "plugged in." And the Guild certainly looks nicer and has more bragging rights (around this site anyways).

Pride of ownership notwithstanding check out some Ibanez archtops (especially check for sharp fret ends and neck straightness - mine seems fine in those depts, but I've seen some not so good ones). You may be surprised!
 

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My .02 is to ask yourself if you want an archtop acoustic guitar(solid carved top) that happens to have a pickup or
an archtop electric guitar(laminated top) that happens to offer a little acoustic volume.
Most archtops even the best solid wood carved ones have a dry midrangy tone.
The carved tops will usually have better acoustic tone than laminated tops.
Plugged in both can sound fine.
I just bought FNG's X-170. What a fine, fine sounding guitar but it is an electric guitar.
Unplugged the tone is fine for sitting on the couch but that's about it. Not a problem
because that's exactly what to expect from a laminated jazz box.
By contrast I've had two Eastman solid wood hand carved archtops.
They offered some serious acoustic tone rivaling many OM size guitars but the electric
tone was not as good as the X-170.
If you have the budget, that X-170 of Billy's would be a killer.
If not, as Yetto mentioned the Ibanez Artcore line is a good buy.
In particular the ArtCore Customs have top notch fretwork and a very nice 3-piece neck.
For instance their AF-105
 

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204084 said:
thanks for the advice everyone...I'm still going back and forth trying to decide...a little veer here...what kind of guitar is this guy playing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoXfz-_fBJo
That square badge in the headstock was found on "Artist Awards", I think they were originally "Johnny Smith Artist Award" w-a-a-y back when, and traditionally Guild's absolute top-of-the-line guitar. Gotta admit those F-holes are throwing me off but it might depend on the model year. Here's a little taste:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19278
Oh, yeah, in fact, there's a pic of a '92 with f-holes on this link:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7556
Boy, Shawn, you sure can pick 'em! :lol:
 

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adorshki said:
...Boy, Shawn, you sure can pick 'em! :lol:


A big-boy toy indeed!

Those have everything I need and nothing I don't.

Pretty rare, but certainly held in high esteem at THIS LTG site!
 

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adorshki said:
That square badge in the headstock was found on "Artist Awards", I think they were originally "Johnny Smith Artist Award" w-a-a-y back when, and traditionally Guild's absolute top-of-the-line guitar. Gotta admit those F-holes are throwing me off but it might depend on the model year.
What's wrong with the F-holes? I didn't notice anything different about them, but my eyes are't what they used to be. It looks like a "regular" old Artist Award with a DeArmond 1100 Rhythm Chief pickup. One advantage of an AA is that you can play it acoustically while you decide on an amp. One disadvantage is they are usually almost twice just about any other Guild archtop.
Brad
 

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Brad Little said:
...usually almost twice just about any other Guild archtop.
Brad


Oh at least!

I saw a nice used '88 (Westerly) X-170 yesterday in San Jose for $1699, which is par for a used laminated jazzer in good shape (American).

'Course, at the time I was buying a used Korean Washburn 335 clone for $200! :idea:
 

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Brad Little said:
What's wrong with the F-holes? I didn't notice anything different about them, but my eyes are't what they used to be. It looks like a "regular" old Artist Award with a DeArmond 1100 Rhythm Chief pickup.
Oh yeah, nothing "wrong" with 'em, I just had that '66 fresh in my mind and MY eyes aren't what they used to be... I swear to G-d I thought it didn't have F-holes yesterday! :lol:
 

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If you have the budget for it the Epiphone ES175 rivals closely the Gibson ES175. I picked one up recently thanks to Steffan's post about his Silvertone find! I just got the bug and after playing the jazz boxes in the $400 to $800 range came home with the Epiphone. Of course I would have loved a Guild, but not enough money for that. As it is I am paying Longe and McQuades about $55 a month for a year to pay for it. They sell for around $500 in the States...I love the sound unplugged as well as plugged in. Unplugged it is louder than any of the other guitars I tried. The vintage sunburst is awesome...I always wanted a guitar like this! :D The ainco humbuckers sound fat and you can also get a thin twang out of it using the bridge pickup. I just love playing it...Also, because it has medium sized frets, the G string does not go sharp when you fret it (like when you play a D chord)...All of the other guitars I tried had jumbo frets which had me getting sharp notes on th G string when playing the cowboy chords.
Most people use a set of 11's on these guitars to drive the top and get the acoustic/electric sound.
I also picked up a little 10 watt Vox pathfinder amp and a digitech peddle...wow...lot's of sound versatility without driving the neighbours crazy. :lol: The very close second was a used Gretsch 5120.
Best of luck on your search.... 8)
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Very nice...probably the big difference between that and a Gibson is the pickups and electronics, and about $2500 :lol: Steffan
 

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12stringer said:
If you have the budget for it the Epiphone ES175 rivals closely the Gibson ES175.
I was at a jam a couple months ago where somebody had one of these. It sounded nice through a small Fender (not sure what model). I didn't get to play it, but its owner liked it a lot.
Brad
 
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