F-412Spec
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I guess this would be an F-40R (?) or maybe"Valencia Special".
Is there, or was there ever, a Brw Guild 6 string the size of the F-312?
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The only example I can think of is the Brazilian F47 designed by Chris Fleming.
I believe it was a Custom Shop guitar, so it is either a one-off or a very limited production run.
I believe it was a Custom Shop guitar, so it is either a one-off or a very limited production run.
adorshki
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F312 was actually derived from the F47 so think Awagner's right that you'd only get Braz in that special Custom Shop piece. By the time the F47R was introduced in late Westerly it was EIR.
SFIV1967
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The looks of her are different from a 60ies F-312, but here she is:
NGD Guild C.W. Fleming F47-BRZ One off Masterpiece Brazilian RW
As many of you know I posted the link to this guitar for everyone in the Ebay/Craigslist section of the forum. I figured I would have no interest in it and would love to see it go to someone here at LTG. After inspecting the photos and conversing with the original owner for a period of a week I...
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adorshki
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F40C? As in cutaway? Don't believe there ever was such an animal, when cutaways came to the F40 outline it became the F45ce, cutaway and electronics at the same time.
Now, an F212ce would be the F40/F47 outline and I could easily see GuIld building one of those with a rosewood body especially for a customer like Howe. Possibly a nitpick, but I think you can see why it's much more likely they did it that way as opposed to "downsizing" an F512.
SFIV1967
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The "normal" F-212C is already a model you don't see often:
Steve Howe's custom rosewood model with a F-512 neck was made in 1979. The name was F212CR-NT and the serial # was 203021.
You can read about it in "The Steve Howe Guitar Collection" book.
Ralf
Steve Howe's custom rosewood model with a F-512 neck was made in 1979. The name was F212CR-NT and the serial # was 203021.
You can read about it in "The Steve Howe Guitar Collection" book.
Ralf
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adorshki
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A 212 is 'hog by definition, the 312 was the rosewood version, but don't recall ever seeing a 312C, not that it really makes a difference, unless one wants to know what they actually "started" with. I just thought 312's had been discontinued by that time but if it's a special order guitar they could easily make an F312 using the same bucks as they were using to make 212's.
This guitar is a 212C with 512 appointments, more than 10 years ago was on sale on reverb or gbase, I also have it in one of my books.
So is that guitar 'hog or rosewood? (Which would make it an F212c "Special" or "Custom" for more than just the neck.)
Don't mean to sound nitpicky, it would just give some little more insight into how they handled custom orders at the time.
SFIV1967
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Read the post above!
Ralf
F-412Spec
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So, it looks like the Fleming is unique (the wood) but with no design departures. The Josh White guitar is nearly unique, and as I recall, all quarter-sawn Brw. I'd sure like to play the old Josh White or the one other similar guitar. Those guitars, steel strings built on the the old "Mark" tools, were way out of Guild's normal purview.
I'm building a guitar that has similar displacement (to F-312), so I'm hoping it will sound like a 6-string version of my old 312. Mine's a little less wide, but it's a little deeper. Using a re-purposed set from a very rough 1965 amateur "large D" build.
I'm building a guitar that has similar displacement (to F-312), so I'm hoping it will sound like a 6-string version of my old 312. Mine's a little less wide, but it's a little deeper. Using a re-purposed set from a very rough 1965 amateur "large D" build.
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