Insight Into Neck Resets

Christopher Cozad

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I have gained a perspective over time regarding the issue of neck resets on the acoustic guitar that I wanted to share. There is a commonly held belief that a neck reset is inevitable, at some point, as the forces working to implode the instrument will prove, eventually, to be greater than its overall structural integrity. For conventional construction, I believe this to be true and also hold that position. Mostly.

Under traditional (steel string) acoustic guitar design, a wooden block is glued to the intersection of the guitar back, sides and front/top/soundboard. The neck is then attached to this block. The strings, attached to and adjustable from the far end of the neck, are anchored to the soundboard via the bridge and, when tightened to 150+ lbs of tension, mostly provide audio bliss. Traditional design provides an effective compromise between rigidity and weight. Until it doesn't.

There is more than one factor at work that is contributing to my guitars need for a neck adjustment. Three factors are explored here:
  • Neck block shift
  • Soundboard shear
  • Potbelly bridge
Neck block shift - Many owners and players are aware that the glue used to join the parts together can soften and slip, especially when subjected to extreme heat (such as when an instrument is left in a hot vehicle). The slightest shift in a neck block, allowing the neck block to rotate forward toward the bridge) can (and will) alter the angle at which the neck joins the body. This shift results in raising the strings away from the fretboard, making the instrument more difficult to play.

Soundboard shear - Another culprit prompting a neck reset is soundboard shear, where the wood of the guitar top literally shears along the side(s) of the fingerboard extension (or neck block). This is evidenced by looking at the soundhole, where the section of the top that has shifted forward, toward the bridge, may be painfully visible. The neck block effectually rotates forward, also resulting in raised string ("action") height.

Potbelly bridge - The "belly" of the guitar is the prime real estate, that beachfront property (as luthier Kent Everett calls it) from the bridge to the tailblock. Our Guild "flattop" guitars are mostly flat across the soundboard. But not entirely. Luthier John Greven's adage, "No belly, no tone", is a true saying and indicates the need for a slight rise (or pull) of this lower bout area of the soundboard. This tension is audible: light tap your fingers across the soundboard, contrasting the area in front of the bridge to the area behind the bridge, to hear it. Too much belly probably means either bridge glue failure, bracing glue failure or, horror of horrors: insufficient construction (typically, vintage Guilds are rarely guilty of the latter).

For all three conditions, the saddle may be lowered to attempt to compensate for the increased string height. If the adjustments are minimal, all may be well. But, more often than not, the adjustments have a deleterious effect on the overall sound, as the "break" angle (measured from the saddle to the point of contact with the bridge) is reduced, the torque applied to the bridge/bridgeplate combination brace is reduced, and the output volume of the guitar is reduced. A saddle bridge may be shaved (reduced in height), which may restore the break angle. But it will also reduce the mass of the bridge, which will alter the ability to "drive the top" (deliver the kinetic energy from the strings, via the bridge, across the soundboard). The guitar will sound different, usually NOT for the better.

Remediation - If the bridge or bracing has come unglued, apply glue and re-address the string height. At some point one may be left with no option but to reset the neck. If the bridge was shaved, replace it. If the soundboard has sheared, it must be cleated. Finally, the neck angle is addressed. The neck must be (carefully) removed, the angle of the heel adjusted, the joint shimmed or re-cut, the neck re-applied and any finish issues corrected.

For the lone guitar owner this may be a once-in-a-lifetime event. As challenging and upsetting as it may appear to be at the onset, I can assure you, "You and your guitar will be okay."

But imagine a world where neck resets have become a thing of the past, a non-issue... I believe proper adhesive selection to be an alternative to having to baby an instrument, temperature-wise. I believe soundboard shear to largely be a failure due to the flex potential in the soundbox design. By altering the design, the weakness can be eliminated. I believe potbelly bridges to be entirely avoidable. It is entirely feasible to be building instruments that do not require neck resets.

Here is an image showing the amount of flex in one of my Guilds that I took apart:

Cozad-Neck-Block.gif
 
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I am, Cynthia, in two ways. I have been building my own instruments using my own radical deviation from the norm since 2013. None of them are old enough to verify with certainty what I am claiming (though none of them have ever required any adjustments, nor do I expect them to). Additionally, I have retrofitted several existing instruments (not my own), successfully incorporating features into these older guitars. I am reviving an effort I started and shelved a few years back, this F-212, the one in the GIF image. I am modifying it with improvements. I should be able to post some updates with photos soon.
 

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I recently had the neck reset on my ‘49 Gibson. It was the first time the neck had been off the guitar since it was built 73 years ago.

I also have a ‘48 Gibson that has its original neck set. Obviously, Gibson was doing something right, because the guitars are clearly not overbuilt.
 

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The F-212 that shows overhaul started in 2016, is that the one in the GIF?
Yes, it is. I had intended to temporarily shelve that project, part of an educational... and one month became a year, and one year became four, etc. Here is a brief video I dug out from that project (the one the GIF came from). It was part of an educational effort:

Guild Neck Block video
 

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"Minutes into days, turn into months, turn into years, they hurry by me."

My projects almost always go like that. Get started, get distracted. Get back to it and can't believe how much time has passed!

Glad you're getting back to yours, and sharing it with us. Maybe you should patent that idea before someone runs away with it!
 
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... I also have a ‘48 Gibson that has its original neck set...
Hi Neal. Your Gibsons are great examples of the issue. It is hit and miss, as repair shops will attest. Neck resets are no respecter of brand. And there are Guilds and Martins and everything else (so I am told) that have survived the storm, much like your Gibsons. As I and others were taught, oh so many years ago, by those brave souls who had pioneered the independent luthier community, the objective is to construct an acoustic stringed instrument right up to the point of failure... then back off just a little. LOL...
Of course, that is not how we build, but it perfectly describes what is going on. There is a very fine line between the point where a given instrument is delivering its finest acoustic properties and the point where that instrument is failing / collapsing under the string tension. And when I say, 'very fine line' that is too wide and broad of a description. It can come down to a single shave of a razor sharp chisel across a brace, or one too many passes of a scraper or sandpaper on a soundboard. Call that very fine line, the one that worked, the sweet spot, and make that the target for the next instrument. Sounds simple, but it doesn't work out that way, primarily due to the fact that we are not machining aluminum (but that is a whole 'nother topic).
Pragmatism / practicality plays a role. Who is your customer? Today's production lines cannot afford repairs and returns due to too light / delicate of a build (even though it would likely produce one of the world's bestest-ever-sounding guitars - ask me how I know), so they compromise / optimize their construction process(es) accordingly. And for understandable reasons.
Good guitars are more common than great guitars. And unbelievably great guitars are the exception, not the rule. When you get one, you sure know it.
Pertinent to this topic and forum (and I know I drone on this issue), when I find a Guild that I really, really like the sound of, but it is uncomfortable to play due to a neck angle (or even a neck width) issue, I do not mind investing the time, energy or money required to make it better; to make it "mine." Can I spend more on repair than the guitar is worth? The honest answer to that question depends on who is defining worth, and what my intentions are regarding the guitar. Solve that issue and be happy.
 

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The neck and soundboard being installed on that GIF you provided would stabilize that neck block greatly, but I'm sure you know that and by showing us the movement, elucidates the types of strain put on the top and the neck block that are not involved in producing sound. Strain and traction that are not involved in sound production, yes??
 

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...Strain and traction that are not involved in sound production, yes??
The multi-million dollar question. ;~} For the most part, "Yes." These are not the primary drivers of sound. But, as you already know, every component contributes to what we consider to be the overall sound of the guitar. And damping is a factor in that equation. Damping is the "cold, wet blanket" of otherwise articulate sound. The more "give" and "flex" and "bend" are introduced, the less articulate the sound becomes.
Addressing the issue of neck resets, all that flex in one of the most critical intersections of the acoustic guitar greatly contributes to a "potential." The soundboard is glued to the kerfing, neck and tailblock. And the potential remains, masked only by the glue. Diminish (or eliminate) the potential, and the glue no longer carries the burden.
 

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I write here a stupid question - it might be clear to everyone else - but I'll ask anyhow.

I understand that as the top of the guitar vibrates it's dimensions vary - very slightly - but they do.

Neck block glue failing ruins the instrument - or at least sends it to repair shop.

What effect to the sound would an added bar between neck block and tail block have?

It would widen the stress of the neck block via tail block - not touching bottom or top - nor sides.

Actually this might be fairly easy to test with a two-piece threaded rod that you could insert into existing guitar - just never got a "round tuit"
 

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A saddle may be shaved (reduced in height), which may restore the break angle. But it will also reduce the mass of the bridge, which will alter the ability to "drive the top" (deliver the kinetic energy from the strings, via the bridge, across the soundboard). The guitar will sound different, usually NOT for the better.

Only because I'm sure you'll appreciate the feedback, and to reduce confusion of folks just getting acquainted with the "concepts", I believe you meant "bridge may be shaved..." which has the practical result of increasing the saddle height but raises other potential complications as you mention, including the danger of splitting the now-thinner bridge if the saddle slot is also deepened to accommodate good "seating" of the saddle.

Initially I was thrown off by the break angle comment and thought you meant the bridge could be "ramped" (slots created from the bridgepin holes towards the saddle to improve break angle). A second read made me realize you couldn't have meant lowering the saddle would increase break angle, and you must have meant "bridge", as confirmed in the second sentence, or am I missing something?
:)
 

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I write here a stupid question...
Not stupid, at all, Nuuska.

What effect to the sound would an added bar between neck block and tail block have?
It has been done. I cannot recall the name of the company that most recently (re)introduced such a solution. Current thinking is that it does affect the overall sound, and this is thought to be due to "stealing" kinetic energy away from the soundboard. What one luthier has done, specifically benefitting his 12 string guitars, is to tie two carbon fiber rods from the neck block, close to the soundboard, one on each side, to an intersecting point at each side's corresponding waist, in the kerfing close to the back. This diminishes or eliminates the potential for forward rotation of the neck block. As the structural change is occurring in the area of the upper bout, there is no apparent negative impact on the sound.
 

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Sort of " Half-way" solution then ?

Imagine the horror when the back of the giitaar pops off 😂
 

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No neck reset - but a new guitar . . . 😏
 

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My 45-year-old D25 is showing none of these signs, knock on (mahogany) wood!
 
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