Identifying the model of my 1973 Jumbo Sunburst

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Sorry - hopefully the last question. Was the F-48 ever offered in sunburst?

You can ask as many questions as you like, that is the whole point of this forum.

The F-48 was offered from 1972-1976. Someone here may have some literature from one, or all, of those years...that may say sunburst was offered, or may not make any mention of sunburst at all, throught the entire run. But either way...anything is possible. Certainly if someone wanted a sunburst F-48 during 1972-1976, Guild would have done it, regardless of what pricelists and catalogs have published. We don't see too many F-48's, and a sunburst one would be very, very uncommon. Yours was re-topped by Guild, as is clear, with Guild factory sunburst so I would be pretty happy about that. is it the only Guild factory made sunburst F-48??? hard to say, but until we see another (which could be 30 seconds from now...)
I would say "yes."

I own a 1970 F-20 that was re-topped by Guild in 1980. So the top has entirely different specs than what was used in 1970. It is the best Guild acoustic I have ever played
 

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Ditto what the other guys said.

Not a lot of these around, Andersnd. Pretty sure I've never seen one with a sunburst.

I'm not sure I'd conclude for certain that this guitar was re-topped by Guild. It certainly seems likely, and I would think that any luthier who might've taken the work would've put their name on it (I had a retopped F-50R that had the luthier's name and date written on the inside). But I don't know if we can be sure about that. Do you have any more interior pictures of the soundboard so we can look further?
 

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Ditto what the other guys said.

Not a lot of these around, Andersnd. Pretty sure I've never seen one with a sunburst.

I'm not sure I'd conclude for certain that this guitar was re-topped by Guild. It certainly seems likely, and I would think that any luthier who might've taken the work would've put their name on it (I had a retopped F-50R that had the luthier's name and date written on the inside). But I don't know if we can be sure about that. Do you have any more interior pictures of the soundboard so we can look further?

the JAN 1977 stamp on the brace looks like Westerly. and the burst is consistent with 1977-1979's i've seen. Bridge, pickguard, rosette...all look right for 1977. Hans could say for sure (he id'd my Westerly re-top on the F-20)
 

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and the burst is consistent with 1977-1979's i've seen.
For what it's worth, I've seen this lovely burst on instruments from '75-'79. My '75 D40 is one.


My fuzzy memory from others that have posted price lists from that era is that the burst finish was an additional cost, but available on any acoustic. I have no idea how often they would produce them compared to how often they were only special order.
 

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I just like the fact you been playing this guitar for 50+ years and never knew the model. That’s awesome! Just playing it was enough. Which is the whole point. Bravo and congrats on such a fantastic guild jumbo.
 

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Wow - the notes inside the guitar indicate it was retopped in 1977. Was the F-48 still being produced at that time, and if so, was it offered in sunburst?
Even if Guild had discontinued the F-48 model in 1977, they were still making the F-50. So they would still have the jig for 17" Jumbo tops. The sunburst may have been a special order made during the re-topping.
 

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Thank you for all your replies and comments! I will post all of the pictures from the luthier. All of this is very surprising to me, and deeply gratifying. Not because of what it might mean in regard to the value of the guitar, but because it has been with me for so long and after the recent work it is a totally different guitar.

I bought it in 1989 from a shop in Boston. My grandfather had recently died and left all the grandchildren a little bit of money. I think I bought it for maybe $650. I was 19 and a freshman in college. I was told it had been owned by a gigging musician at some point, which was the reason for the dual pickups that had been installed. One of them was pretty much hanging out of the guitar and was never really functional. Both pickups were passive, with one that responds better to higher frequencies to compensate for the Guild’s “boomy-ness”. This is all what was told to me at the time, but quite frankly I really didn’t give a shit because it was a very big and cool 6 string, had a functioning pickup, sounded great, and, well, I was 19.

That was 34 years ago, and since then there have been many other guitars that have come and gone. This one, however, was always special, even as it slowly declined and became more and more unplayable. This guitar has gone everywhere with me over the past three decades, and where I have taken it and how I got it there would make people on this forum shudder. Just a couple examples: I had a motorcycle in college and would strap this guitar onto the back and go into the white mountains for camping and hiking trips for weeks at a time and in all kinds of weather. Snow, rain, mud … all very common in those days. I also lived in London for a while after college, and got the Guild over there by wrapping the case in bubble wrap, dropping it into a fed ex box and fed ex got it to England faster than I got myself there - it was there waiting for me when I arrived. And I shipped it back home the same way I shipped it over.

But in the past ten 10 years, the guitar had really declined. The action became more and more untenable, the intonation was very bad, and with a couple of newer and very functional Martins in the collection, the Guild sat in the case. I would love to say that during this time I at least paid attention to proper humidification - but you can probably guess the answer to that.

I am now playing in a small band in Massachusetts, and decided to break out the Guild at a recent band practice. Notwithstanding its condition, and it being barely playable at the 10th fret and above, everyone was amazed at the tone, including me. So I decided to see what a very reputable local luthier could do, and the results are nothing short of amazing. It has never played or sounded as it does now. Even when I first bought it, the Guild was never as “playable” as a Martin, which had become my go-to in acoustics over the years. But today, the Guild is hands down the most playable acoustic I own. It has incredible response, an even and smooth action, and there is simply not a single dead spot on the neck. Every note, any note, crystal clear, regardless of where I am on the neck. It is an absolute joy to play, and given my history with this guitar, it is like getting to know an old friend all over again.

The Martins need to get comfortable in their cases, because our gig season heats up in about a week, and F-48 is in the #1 position in my lineup!
 

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Pics attached - the first is a screenshot from my luthier’s instagram account after he completed the work.
 

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Great story, wonderful photos, tremendous guitar!
 

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Fantastic story! You're more than welcome to these forums LOL!
 

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For members that are 47/48/50 owners, I’m curious what your views and experiences are with pickups.

As I’ve written above, my 48 was set up with dual pickups, intended to be plugged and played in tandem. Both are passive; the higher frequency in the lower bout is a barkus berry, and the other which is for fuller tonal spectrum is a K&K. All my Martins have active pickups (LR Baggs true-mics in all of them) so I’m not really dialed into the passive pickup scene.

From a little research I have done, a higher frequency pickup run in tandem with a more standard spectrum (and the ability to blend the two) would seem to make a lot of sense in a jumbo. Any one have any experience/thoughts on this? My one gripe with the current setup is that the pickups are very, very sensitive to any contact made with the exterior of the guitar, eg palm on bridge pins, a shirt sleeve on the guitar top, etc.
 

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For members that are 47/48/50 owners, I’m curious what your views and experiences are with pickups.

As I’ve written above, my 48 was set up with dual pickups, intended to be plugged and played in tandem. Both are passive; the higher frequency in the lower bout is a barkus berry, and the other which is for fuller tonal spectrum is a K&K. All my Martins have active pickups (LR Baggs true-mics in all of them) so I’m not really dialed into the passive pickup scene.

From a little research I have done, a higher frequency pickup run in tandem with a more standard spectrum (and the ability to blend the two) would seem to make a lot of sense in a jumbo. Any one have any experience/thoughts on this? My one gripe with the current setup is that the pickups are very, very sensitive to any contact made with the exterior of the guitar, eg palm on bridge pins, a shirt sleeve on the guitar top, etc.
Boy, that's a really beautiful guitar. I really like the streaked (rosewood?) fingerboard. Bootiful!

Andersnd, are you saying this guitar has both a Barcus Berry UST and a K&K under-saddle system? That's very unusual. Are they wired together and/or how do you control them? I think you'd do better with a dual-source system where one of the systems is a condenser mic. Baggs or Duncan make great (modern) systems for getting really good acoustic sound our of our guitars.
 

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Thanks for the reply. They are not wired together - they are completely independent, passive pickups. Both pickups are transducers mounted on the bridgeplate.

I am going to begin gigging with this guitar, and I haven’t performed with them in parallel. I have played around with my PA and the best sound is with the K&K going through a T-Rex Soulmate, with an XLR output right into the mixer.

Are the systems you are referencing active or passive? I’m very familiar with the Baggs Anthem tru mic set ups.
 

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The ones with dual-source that I was mentioning are active, Andersnd...

How bizarre with your guitar... Maybe someone was trying to just compare/contrast the two systems? Anyway, I like the K&K on my guitars, but I would doubt they'd favorably compare with the dual-source. I've heard the Seymour Duncan system (used to be D-TAR) on Guild guitars and it blew my socks off compared to other challengers on stage.
 

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Thanks for this - I’ll check out the SD.

I should have mentioned, the tandem “system” in my 48 was that way when I bought it in 1989, and who knows when the prior owner had actually had it installed. My luthier said it’s pretty apparent to him that whoever did it intended to run them in parallel. The “treble” pickup (the Barcus Berry) is nothing you would want to play through (or listen to) on its own. But I can see how if mixed in properly with the K&K (which is a bit boomy) it could be helpful. With all of that said, the more I play with it and make subtle tweaks, the K&K put into my TRex Soulmate (which has a really great EQ) sounds pretty darn good.
 
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Hello -

I’ve just joined this group and am looking for assistance in identifying the model of my Guild. It is serial #90701, which from my research tells me only the production year but not the model. I have owned this guitar for 34 years and there was never a label on the inside. A luthier just completed some work on it and it appears the guitar had a new top put on it at the factory in 1977 (there are notes written on the inside that I can post if helpful). We think it is an F50, but I believe the F40 was also made at that time in a jumbo. How can I know for sure the model?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Devin
During the 70’s the serial numbers did not identify the model numbers of the guitars at Guild. Some better description is needed. But I take it that you can’t look in the sound hole and read the model number from a label?
 

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Well, the model should be on the label along with the serial number, newhalljones. But, that's right; the serial number doesn't identify the model. At least not in most cases. What it tells you is the year it was born.
 

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Thanks Chazmo and newhall - no label on the inside of this guitar. Other members helped to identify this guitar as an F-48.
 
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