I need X-180 park avenue info

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Oh, that's cool, do you think he'd know where those records are?
It wouldn’t surprise me if he has them but don’t be surprised me if he will not give them to you. Ask questions respectfully and you may get the answers you seek, though.

You can ask him questions directly via contact info on his website or wait to see if he responds.

 

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It wouldn’t surprise me if he has them but don’t be surprised me if he will not give them to you. Ask questions respectfully and you may get the answers you seek, though.

You can ask him questions directly via contact info on his website or wait to see if he responds.

Do you think he'd include it in his book? Also, I have. Thank you!
 

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I wouldn’t dare speak for him, but we all certainly hope so. :)
If I promise to not tell anyone and pay him for the information, would he give it to me? That is if the production logs aren't lost to time. Do you think they still exist?
 
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I've gone down this trail of breadcrumbs and would like to see it through, in the end, I'll let it go, but it'd be extremely satisfying at this point to get the answers. Also, what do you mean by "serious"? Like I'm too serious, or just am willing to give too much for something that's not worth it? Or neither? Feel free not to hold back.
 

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Speaking as a crazy collector, I would not sell those logs if I had them (or the information in them), especially if the information was likely to be published in my next book.

Hans also has had direct experience with the factories and their employees when they were current and knows an amazing amount of detail that isn't in any logs or papers.

Hans, if you're listenening and you do every decide to part with your amazing collection of Guild docs, I hope you know I'm you're guy. :cool:
 

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I've gone down this trail of breadcrumbs and would like to see it through, in the end, I'll let it go, but it'd be extremely satisfying at this point to get the answers. Also, what do you mean by "serious"? Like I'm too serious, or just am willing to give too much for something that's not worth it? Or neither? Feel free not to hold back.
You are giving off a vibe that suggests this is so important to you that you are not willing to let it go even when someone else might. That is not negative but it is noticeable and unusual.

But let's back off and try and distinguish facts from speculation.

I have personally seen a production log book from New Hartford. Hans has reported various production records recovered from dumpsters at Westerly.

But we don't actually know what production logs were kept at Corona. We don't know what information they contain. We have speculated that there was some kind of paper record. If such a record existed we don't know whether it exists today or where to look for it. FMIC may have it or CMG may have it. It is quite possible that the holder does not realize that they have it

Even if the information exists it might not be shared. Unpublished information is valuable to Hans and he may choose not to share in order to protect future revenues from when it is published. (This is not to suggest that Hans has, or has seen the records). Guild at New Hartford considered production quantities proprietary. Perhaps the holder remains under an obligation not to share or disclose.

So the very first thing you should do is ask Hans what he knows and will share. You might be surprised and the answer might shape your next steps.

I would find out what information is embedded in a serial number and how they were assigned. That will help figure out whether production estimates for a model can be derived from serial numbers, or not.

I would try and find someone at FMIC and at Guild who understood about archives and ask questions about what records might exist in storage. The right person would understand that your interest is in availability and not contents, at least at this time.

Finally I would try and locate someone who worked at Corona while Guild was there. What they can tell you about operations may lead you to other questions or sources.
 

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Let me just add one thing to frono's excellent post. When you say "If I promise to not tell anyone and pay him for the information, would he give it to me?", seems to imply some "sneaky" behavior. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. Hans is very generous with the information he has, and has added an incomprehensible amount of knowledge to this forum over the years. He's also had individual conversations with many of us about one (or more) of our guitars. We are understandably protective of him!

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Let me just add one thing to frono's excellent post. When you say "If I promise to not tell anyone and pay him for the information, would he give it to me?", seems to imply some "sneaky" behavior. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. Hans is very generous with the information he has, and has added an incomprehensible amount of knowledge to this forum over the years. He's also had individual conversations with many of us about one (or more) of our guitars. We are understandably protective of him!

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Oh my bad, he seems to be massively respected, I didn’t mean to ruffle his feathers. I’m just burning with curiosity at this point... I probably care more than I should but hey... What are you gonna do ya know
 

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You are giving off a vibe that suggests this is so important to you that you are not willing to let it go even when someone else might. That is not negative but it is noticeable and unusual.

But let's back off and try and distinguish facts from speculation.

I have personally seen a production log book from New Hartford. Hans has reported various production records recovered from dumpsters at Westerly.

But we don't actually know what production logs were kept at Corona. We don't know what information they contain. We have speculated that there was some kind of paper record. If such a record existed we don't know whether it exists today or where to look for it. FMIC may have it or CMG may have it. It is quite possible that the holder does not realize that they have it

Even if the information exists it might not be shared. Unpublished information is valuable to Hans and he may choose not to share in order to protect future revenues from when it is published. (This is not to suggest that Hans has, or has seen the records). Guild at New Hartford considered production quantities proprietary. Perhaps the holder remains under an obligation not to share or disclose.

So the very first thing you should do is ask Hans what he knows and will share. You might be surprised and the answer might shape your next steps.

I would find out what information is embedded in a serial number and how they were assigned. That will help figure out whether production estimates for a model can be derived from serial numbers, or not.

I would try and find someone at FMIC and at Guild who understood about archives and ask questions about what records might exist in storage. The right person would understand that your interest is in availability and not contents, at least at this time.

Finally I would try and locate someone who worked at Corona while Guild was there. What they can tell you about operations may lead you to other questions or sources.
Will do, thanks a million guys!
 

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Will do, thanks a million guys!

I look forward to hearing what you discover. No one really knows about operations in Corona the we we know about Westerly and New Hartford so there is a lot of potential new ground here, even if all we learn is what is apparently not available.
 

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Oh my bad, he seems to be massively respected, I didn’t mean to ruffle his feathers. I’m just burning with curiosity at this point... I probably care more than I should but hey... What are you gonna do ya know

It's all good!

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I can tell you that your X-180 was
the 9th instrument that was serial number stamped since the start of
its production time in Corona, CA- Hans

I'm not sure if he means Corona production in general or just that guitar. But either way, still pretty cool. The guitars were made in batches, so the order in which they were completed depended on dealers and such, so it could be the ninth made or the 100th, I don't know. I also don't know how many were made, I asked him yesterday but he still hasn't responded.
 

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I would interpret Hans' answer to mean it's the ninth one of that model made from when Corona started making that model. Assuming it is the ninth one, just wondering if it would matter to you whether it was the ninth ever made versus the ninety-ninth ever made? It still sounds good regardless, doesn't it?
 

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In my experience Hans doesn’t often reveal how many of a guitar model were made.
 

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I would interpret Hans' answer to mean it's the ninth one of that model made from when Corona started making that model. Assuming it is the ninth one, just wondering if it would matter to you whether it was the ninth ever made versus the ninety-ninth ever made? It still sounds good regardless, doesn't it?
No, I was just wondering if/how my serial number was made differently from others. But it sounds like the serial number doesn't matter, just the order that different colors were ordered. But I think it's cool that it's the 9th one made. The 99th would also be cool. Just a cool number is a little bit of a bonus ya know?
 

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No, I was just wondering if/how my serial number was made differently from others. But it sounds like the serial number doesn't matter, just the order that different colors were ordered. But I think it's cool that it's the 9th one made. The 99th would also be cool. Just a cool number is a little bit of a bonus ya know?
Now I really want those production logs hahahah.
 

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I would interpret Hans' answer to mean it's the ninth one of that model made from when Corona started making that model. Assuming it is the ninth one, just wondering if it would matter to you whether it was the ninth ever made versus the ninety-ninth ever made? It still sounds good regardless, doesn't it?

"It's a difference of opinion that makes horse races."

I would interpret to mean it was the ninth guitar, of any model, stamped at Corona.

My thinking is that Guild has been slowly dropping model specific serial numbers and adopting cumulative numbers instead. Tacoma and New Hartford both "count" the number of instruments made in a day, regardless of model. Oxnard counts the number of instruments made since the plant opened.

We really want to see the production logs or ledger (since now that I have been thinking about it, I like "ledger" better).
 

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It was the 9th X-180 stamped. Which is what we thought.
 
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