I do not follow or watch news anymore....(no politics discussion please)

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I have online subscriptions to the Boston Globe, NY Times and Wa Post, print to two in state papers. I watch local news primarily for the weather, but also for any local news of interest. The only network news I watch is PBS Newshour, and not as much as I would if it didn't coincide with Jeopardy! BBC is on my pillow speaker overnight, so depends on how well I sleep, but usually get at least one or two of its news on the hour/half hour. I agree with the postings about the need to bring back the fairness doctrine, but in today's fractured society, doubt it would be easy. Oh, and for baseball junkies, the Globe and the Newark Star-Ledger are (IMO) the best coverage in the northeast, although I haven't seen the Star-Ledger lately, so it may have changed. Boy, do I miss the Sporting News, the online version just doesn't cut it.
 

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I deliberately did not post the same graphic @twocorgis did because everywhere else I have seen it posted, or posted it myself, has resulted in a discussion about how people disagree with something on the picture and that proves the picture is intrinsically biased and.... You get the idea. Let's not do that here.

The chart is from https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ so you can go there, read about methodology and meaning and make your own informed opinion which you don't need to share on LTG.

Well, I certainly didn't mean to start a flame war, but I suppose folks can take issue with the graphic. Feel free to remove my post if you think it's better to do so.
 

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Critical thought is the enemy of modern media, and it's even worse when media sources insist that the other side is wrong because they're not thinking, and every side does that. I call this "I'm right and you're stupid" and it's *everywhere*.

I like that position!
 

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I teach Business courses at a college, I have to be aware of the news, and in particular business news, to teach my classes effectively. I subscribe to a local paper - I also want to know what's going on in my town and the surrounding community. I might put the TV weather on - love the video! - especially if something's in the air, but that's it as far as television "news" goes.

I am in agreement that there are better things to do. I am also stunned by the number of people I know who get their opinion from the TV. I thought an opinion was something you get yourself, based on research into the issue. Not anymore, I guess.

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I deliberately did not post the same graphic @twocorgis did because everywhere else I have seen it posted, or posted it myself, has resulted in a discussion about how people disagree with something on the picture and that proves the picture is intrinsically biased and.... You get the idea. Let's not do that here.

The chart is from https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ so you can go there, read about methodology and meaning and make your own informed opinion which you don't need to share on LTG.

Fair enough, Frono, but the current version of that chart (at the link you posted, above) differs somewhat from the image posted above in this thread. Perhaps the positions of some news organizations on that chart have varied versus time.
 

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I agree completely Gary. The Fairness Doctrine is something that needs to be reinstated, but I don't see that happening unless Citizens United gets overturned, too. I'm a bit of a news junkie myself, but I try to get a well rounded view of what's going on out there, from both neutral, right, and left leaning sources. This graphic I find to be pretty accurate, and it you stick to sources at the top of the curve, you can come away with a pretty objective view of what's going on out there.

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It sure beats social media, which is where most people seem to get their news from these days.
Interesting. I see Bloomberg's up there squarely in "Neutral" ranging from "Original Fact Reporting" to "Complex Analysis", and they've been my go-to for the last year, for global economic news.

And oh yeah, like GJMalcyon, I like the Economist, in fact I think it's magnificent.

I do tune in a couple of locals, 'cause I like to know what's going on locally, but coverage of National and Economic news is vapid at best.
And I put chicken wire over the TV screen so that whenever I hear "Shots rang out", whatever I throw at it doesn't break it.
 
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The problem lies in the definition of "truth." I don't claim to have a monopoly on it, but I can tell you this: By definition, there can only be one truth. There can't be "your truth" and "my truth," only "the truth."
 

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Fair enough, Frono, but the current version of that chart (at the link you posted, above) differs somewhat from the image posted above in this thread. Perhaps the positions of some news organizations on that chart have varied versus time.

I believe that's just a newer version of the graphic that I posted, hence the "version 7.0". I guess media bias does change over time.
 

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Interesting. I see Bloomberg's up there squarely in "Neutral" ranging from "Original Fact Reporting" to "Complex Analysis", and they've been my go-to for the last year, for global economic news.

I deliberately did not post the same graphic @twocorgis did because everywhere else I have seen it posted, or posted it myself, has resulted in a discussion about how people disagree with something on the picture and that proves the picture is intrinsically biased and.... You get the idea. Let's not do that here.

You walked right up to the edge of the cliff but didn't go over. But if I don't say something there will be someone who jumps right off so I am going to error on the side of a possible undeserved tap on the wrist as a warning.
 

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Fair enough, Frono, but the current version of that chart (at the link you posted, above) differs somewhat from the image posted above in this thread. Perhaps the positions of some news organizations on that chart have varied versus time.


Shall I stop trying to be subtle and just say let's not talk about that chart here.

And to be that guy who has to be correct, I did not post the chart to this thread. I now it gets updated. And I did post a link to where the curious could find the latest version.
 

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The problem lies in the definition of "truth." I don't claim to have a monopoly on it, but I can tell you this: By definition, there can only be one truth. There can't be "your truth" and "my truth," only "the truth."

That's not quite accurate (I backspace over "true" LOL).

The world is not black and white, and there are many many topics where there is no "truth". Most of the topics that have ongoing heated political debates that end up with breaking up families over Thanksgiving dinner are subjects that don't have a "truth".

Additionally there can be multiple truths that are all valid. For example, this is one of my favorite photos of all time, and I used to post it on TGP when people would argue about stupid things because this is what I felt like they were doing:

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Truths:
The girl is mocking the cow
The cow is mocking the girl (or is it?)
They both have tails
The cow is hot (cow's have a nominal body temperature of 101.5)
The girl is hot (go ahead - prove me wrong)
The cow is underexposed

What is "THE" truth?
 

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Reminds me of a previous discussion we had here; critical thinking skills and discernment are a must given the information overload that we live with.
 

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Truths?
She is a girl.
That bovine critter is probably a steer.
You made some convincing points though.:)
 

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I bit my tongue when it was first posted but "What is Truth?" is a question that has a long history of discussion.. The definition or existence of "absolute truth" often differs whether one is arguing from a philosophical or religious view point. There are definitely nuances that differ depending upon wether one believes in God or not. Let's not go down this rabbit hole either, OK?
 

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Yeah, I don't want to go there either, but 1 plus 1 is always gonna be 2.

I wish the news were that simple.
 

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I can't imagine writing off all news sources . . . I would feel terribly uninformed, and I like to know what is going on in the world around me (including the natural world, as well as political or other "news").

It isn't too hard to identify sources of factual info, imo. Although it might have been easier when that so-called Fairness Doctrine was in place.
Not many here with that view, but I'm certainly one. I'm a major fan of most of the MSNBC shows, with Nicolle Wallace on top. Her show Deadline: White House is specifically about the White House, so obviously those are the stories that she and her team decide to report on. She clearly has her personal view of things. Nevertheless, she is generally reporting what was said and what was done, and those are facts, not opinions. She's not just making stuff up. If what was said was something appalling, yes, she will let you know that she is appalled, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, especially since most of the time what was said was indeed appalling -- there's no getting around it. Postmodern subjectivism where everyone's view is just as valid as anyone else's is flatly bogus nonsense.

Which brings us to the Fairness Doctrine, which is the only place I disagree with geoguy (and most of you others). The Fairness Doctrine dictates that both sides of an issue should get equal time. In issues of, say, national policy, where both sides have reasonable and rational positions, sure, that makes sense. But what about where one side's position is entirely unreasonable and irrational? I totally disagree that such a position should get "equal time." And don't ask me "Who decides?" It's not who decides, but what decides. It's the evidence that decides. The facts. A favorite saying is "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." I would add that an opinion that is contrary to the facts and the evidence is misguided and certainly not deserving of "equal time," or really, any time at all.

All that said, politics has gotten a lot more boring lately. And comparatively speaking, that's a good thing. 😶
 
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