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As the title reads, Greetings from South Arkansas. Currently the owner of a couple nice dreads and a jumbo. I recently started playing with my cowboy church band and I wanted to add a blonde maple guild 12 string.
I have come up short in all the usual places on the internet.
im happy to be here and look forward to seeing and learning about Guild guitars.
 

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Welcome! Lots of great people here. Best of luck landing your Guild 12 string!
 

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Welcome Nitro! Southern Arkansas is great! I also wish you a successful guild 12 string search. What is your budget?
 

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@GGJaguar here you go. 53 mystery top and Winter of 37 on the right. Backdrop courtesy of Target 🤗
 

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Welcome aboard, Nitro!
"Blonde maple Guild 12-string" was born with the F412 in '68. "Blonde" was the finish name for an unstained maple body and spruce top.
F412 was 17" lower bout true jumbo arched maple back. 1-13/16 nuts are the most common but earlier 12's (F212/312) were known to have almost 2" nuts very early on, '64-'65. And Guild nut widths varied slightly due to production methods and tolerance in any case.

Not recalling off the top of my head if they ever built a maple flatback version of that size (don't think so), and the next step down is the 16" lower bout "F40" based body, also arched maple back.

In fact I can't recall 'em ever doing a 16" maple 12-er until New Hartford with the Doyle Dykes DD12Mce, old reverb ad linked here for pics:
https://reverb.com/item/2089322-doyle-dykes-signature-guild-dd-12-mce

And it's a flatback, not that I think that's a bad thing. :)

But very low production something like 20 IIRC?

Still if budget's wide open, and you want to hold out for something a little more comfortable than that big ol' 17" wide and 5" deep jumbo body (an increasingly common malady around here), now you know that it is out there, if you like the specs.

(Shown in listing, in fact, just realized that listing was from our own member Fixit, "Jacobs Custom Guitars", so the specs are to be trusted, same as the 6-string models with that very slightly shorter 25-1/4" scale vs the normal 25-5/8. Couldn't find 'em in a catalog just now.)

Ahhh, but if you're 5'12" or taller and jumbos are just fine for you there was also the venerable JF30-12, basically a blinged-down version of the F412. Dot fretboard inlays for example. A chesterfield instead of a G-shield on the headstock. A more conservative aesthetic.
And a lo-o-o-ong period of production (like 15 years) so come up fairly often.

But good enough for guys like Justin Hayward of the Moody Blues, as the first guy that comes to mind. :)

So there's your crash course, to the best of my increasingly erroneous memory, in (US built) Guild maple 12-ers.

Hope it helps. 🤠

EDIT: Whoopsie, almost forgot, in early '90's F412 became JF65-12 amid a confusing period of model name changes, but that designation held until '01 when Westerly closed. IRRC the later ones got mahogany necks rather than maple, for some folks it's an aesthetic issue. 'hog's actually very dimensionally stable though, so still an ideal wood for necks. (forgive me if you already now about stuff like that, but again, just to let you know what's out there)

Corona first year '02 saw the return of the F412 name, and JF30-12 was continued as well. Coronas get bad raps, don't let that fool you.
Member @Cougar has a particularly nice sunburst, more to give you an idea of the quality of the tops, great silking on his. As well as my own D40.

That's actually pretty true of most of 'em, back to the late '70's, at least, and I suspect Corona "inherited" a lot of raw stock from Westerly, it only makes sense. ;)

OK, now class dismissed!:D
 
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@adorshki I’m 6’1” so the big jumbo should fit. My search is not limited to the current production. I’d be more than happy to snag a jf30-12. I love figured wood and I have seen a few with eye popping maple.
 

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@adorshki I’m 6’1” so the big jumbo should fit. My search is not limited to the current production. I’d be more than happy to snag a jf30-12. I love figured wood and I have seen a few with eye popping maple.
See my edit about JF65-12 and wood quality, Guild's wood was in fact very good thanks to a guy named Willie Fritscher, story here:
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'90's era Guild maple was very fine indeed, even by their standards.

RIP Willie and thank you. 🤠

Ahhh, but you did say current production is a possibility?

Off the top of my head I think owner rating for build quality and sound here tops at least 90%, and some of 'em have a wide range of hands-on Guild experience, far more than me. But I can take a hint. :D
 
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My search is not limited to the current production.
I had a Corona-made F-412 that was a great instrument. Then I played a recent Oxnard-made F-512M (F-412 in old-speak) and it was one step above in terms of sound and especially playability (slimmer neck profile). In the end I sold the old one and bought the newer one, but really they are all pretty wonderful so you can't go wrong. Good luck with your search!!
 
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I wanted to add a blonde maple guild 12 string.
Smart man! (And welcome to the forum!) You came to the right place for a 12-string. Guilds are the top of the hill. And Guild jumbos just can't be beat! If you're looking used, learn to ask the seller questions and check the saddle height, neck angle, and of course the action at the 12th fret. Good ones do occasionally come up on reverb and ebay -- and here in the "buy, sell, trade" section. And stick around -- I got all my Guilds from tips from members of this forum! Good luck!
 

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Welcome to the forum, NitroExpress! Your dreads look just the way they should -- played and played! You'll fit right in.
 

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Welcome. I worked for Guild from '79-81, and we did the Nashville DJ show in 1980. I was there and overheard the Martin sales rep telling our sales rep that we made the best production line 12 string acoustics in the world, a very nice compliment coming from our closest competitor. You just can't go wrong with a Guild 12-string. They were built like tanks and played great. I handled artist endorsements and worked with Paul Kantner, who said his 12-string sounded like a full orchestra and rang like a bell.
 
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