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Hello to all.

New to the forum and it's my first post.

Anybody have any info on a 1950's X400??
 

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I'm not sure how to post the pic....saw it for sale and was interested. it's a jazz box for sure on the lines of a 175/500/700........Is it a rare piece??

Here's their description....

"Description: Prototype Guild® archtop, 2 tone sunburst with gold hardware, near mint condition, gorgeous guitar with Wes montgomery tone, solid evenly grained spruce top, highly figured maple back and sides, original brown hardshell case with brass Guild® badge"
 

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old guild guy said:
... Is it a rare piece??
Hi oldguildguy and welcome; If you have pics, you need to open a web-based photo host account; Photobucket ... many others. You can upload your photo(s) to the web host, copy the 'IMG' data (an electronic address), and paste the IMG data directly into your draft post. You will be able to see your pic in the 'Preview' window and if ok, you can Submit your post and your pic will appear embedded in your post. Without a pic, not sure we're going to be of much help.

Speaking for myself, I'm always leary when someone characterizes any vintage guitar or amp as a 'Prototype' without offering some evidence or support for the claim. Assuming, for the sake of the discussion, that it varies significantly from sister models, it could be a 'custom' or one-off version made to special order; that's a lot different from being a 'prototype' but would explain why the model's details don't match similar models. Calling it a prototype also may be concealing the seller's inability or unwillingness to correctly identify the model; the fact that he doesn't know what it is, with all due respect, doesn't automatically mean it's a prototype. Finally, the use of the term 'prototype' is commonly used by sellers to hype the apparent value ... and the asking price.

You might consider asking the seller how he knows it's prototype and, further, of what production model - if any - is it a prototype. Without pics, the description is of no use in determining what model it is or the accuracy of claim.

Edit: Here's a 'test' of sorts to help you decide about the seller's 'prototype' claim. If you ask him how he knows it's a prototype and offers any of these responses:

"That's what the guy I bought it from said..."
"I've never seen one like it and neither has anyone else who's looked at it..."
"Because I say it is..."

Then it's almost a certainty that it isn't a prototype.



Again, welcome to LTG! CJ
 

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Nice get 'Effin; a Pro Toe-type? Whatever it is, it's gorgeous!
 

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That's the one.....I figured if somebody googled it...there you go....any thoughts on it??

Also looking at a DV73....1 of perhaps 5 made...much rarer than the DV72.....anybody know the history on that one??

Much obliged for the help.
 

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old guild guy said:
Also looking at a DV73....1 of perhaps 5 made...much rarer than the DV72.....anybody know the history on that one??

Much obliged for the help.

West here has a DV-73 although there were a few more than 5 made.

Lovely guitar, I think it has ceramic tile all over it, West?
 

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old guild guy said:
That's the one.....I figured if somebody googled it...there you go....any thoughts on it??

Hello old guild guy,

The X-400 was part of the earliest line that Guild came out with in 1953. These instruments all had model numbers that went like X-100, X-200, X-300, X-400 etc. ( with the blonde instruments being called X-110, X-220, X-330, X-440 etc.)
This line was kind of an experimental one; sort of trying to 'feel the water' to see what would work/sell.
After about a year a new line of instruments was introduced and these were the instruments that would be part of the Guild line for the years to come.
Meanwhile Guild still had bodies and necks lying around that did not fit into this new line of instruments. Some of these were 'dressed up' with period hardware (different from the hardware that was used originally during 1953) and sold between 1954 and 1956.
Originally the X-400 had nickel hardware and a Kluson tailpiece. With a little more fancy trimmings it was positioned in between the X-175 and the X-500 of the new line. Most of the X-400s that left the factory during those later years, did get gold hardware.
The guitar in the auction has a typical X-400 body but the neck is from a somewhat later X-350.
The 'engraved' tailpiece is not original since that style was introduced about 10 years later.
That's pretty much what I can tell you about that particular instrument without holding it in my hands. It is a rare bird but it is not a 'prototype' for any later guitar model. It's more like 'leftovers' but in my opinion 'really tasty leftovers'!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

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Thanks for all the info.....according to the seller of the DV73.....the DV73 was even more ornate than the DV72....has coral, onyx, and turquoise inlays as well as silver used in the rosettes and between the inlay on the fingerboard.

So the X400 is basically a "mongrel" guitar?

What would you guys recommend as an all around great jazz box to own?? The X175? X170? X500?

Thanks
 

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old guild guy said:
.....according to the seller of the DV73.....the DV73 was even more ornate than the DV72....
Thanks

Ornate? I don't think we've used that one

I have only seen pictures of West's DV-73, stunning for sure, it's the one on the right. Dv-72 on the left and D-55 in the middle.

Wests3.jpg


I have heard the 72 and it is the nicest sounding guitar I have ever heard, I think there are others here that may agree to that.
 

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old guild guy said:
So the X400 is basically a "mongrel" guitar?

Hello old guild guy,

That's not what I would call it! It's a legitimate Guild guitar and as far as I can see it probably left the factory like that.
The only part that is not original is the 'deluxe' tailpiece. A lot of these early Guild archtops don't have their original tailpieces anymore, since they tend to break rather easily. Actually, there's one LTG member that has an X-400 from this particular period and he's been looking for an original tailpiece for some time.
Did you already find it John!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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Sweeeet guitar......I'm trying to determine if I like/want the gold hardware more (which tends to rub off over time) or go with the chrome....the X150/X150D is a nice piece.....
 
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