Guild Les Paul???

[donboy53]

I saw a guild that looks like a Les Paul Special that was made in Corona, CA. The guy said it was TV white colored, which is kinda lime/cream colored. He wants $1,600 for it with the Guild case. Does anyone know of such a beast, and what model is it?

 

[AcornHouse]

Was it the Guild Bluesbird? http://www.westerlyguildguitars.com/guitars/bluesbird.html

I don't recall ever seeing one white or similar, but there may be some.

 

[coastie99]

I can't sing, I ain't pretty, and my legs are thin.......Oh well

Maybe. But, he sure could rattle that geetar. 8) 8)

 

[kitniyatran]

If you mean the double cutaway LP Special, Guild imported a similar model in their Madeira line. Corona era, I don't know of anything, but that could be my ignorance.

 

[donboy53]

Guild Les Paul = M-75 Bluesbird

As close as I can tell after looking at literally 500+ pictures and reading descriptions, it is a M-75 Bluesbird. I also took a couple pics of it, but I don't know how to post them.

Maybe this will work... :idea:

http://guitarzonez.shutterfly.com/pictures/9

 

[Los Angeles]

That's an early 2000's M-70. I've seen them with DeArmonds, but not with P90s.

Bluespicky has an amazing example of one in a mint green.

If you decide to pass on the guitar, I would like a chance to talk the owner down a little.

 

[SFIV1967]

That's an early 2000's M-70. I've seen them with DeArmonds, but not with P90s.
Bluespicky has an amazing example of one in a mint green.
If you decide to pass on the guitar, I would like a chance to talk the owner down a little.

May I correct you and say that this is a M90 model in "Vintage Blond" (color according to 2000 catalog), not a M70!
The M70 had a bound front of the body and the M90 has an unbound body. M70 had DeArmond model 2000 pickups and the M90 two Seymour Duncan P90s. M90 has also lacquer finish.
I just wonder why it would be made in Corona, I thought that is a Nashville custom shop model? Around year 2000 seems to be o.k., the M90 was at least in the 2000 catalog. But maybe it is one of those early experimental Corona models? (Does it say Fender on the back of the headstock?) But I doubt it is from Corona. Maybe the shop who sells it is confused, because they think Guild Custom Shop = Corona ?

Here's an example of another M90 headstock, which is not Corona but Nashville.



Ralf

 

[Los Angeles]

Thank you for the correction and information, Ralph.

I think every post of mine should start wih the words "I could be wrong ..."

 

[Thunderface]

Thank you for the correction and information, Ralph.

I think every post of mine should start wih the words "I could be wrong ..."

Welcome to the club, Kent. That's why my avatar is what it is. :wink:

 

[SFIV1967]

Thank you for the correction and information, Ralph.
I think every post of mine should start wih the words "I could be wrong ..."

No, without the 2000 catalog next to my computer I would have had no idea either!
It's basically a sister to Pascal's M70.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5DsHiuV ... VI4Te2FdZQ
Hope one of you can get it!
Ralf

 

[donboy53]

Before you all get the wrong idea, I am not drunk in the photo, it was a really bad angle and bad timing shot.
Thanks for all the responses, you are all a libraries wealth of Guild facts, I love this site. I do believe it said Fender and made in Corona, CA on the distal headstock, I am going to try to talk the owner down some on the price, although I am going to pay the $1600 if I can't get him down some, his prices do include tax, so that is $116 off it already. I don't think it has a serial number either.

 

[adorshki]

I believe we have seen just 2 examples of Bluesbirds with the specific "Fender Custom Shop" logo on them. Was it Alpep who mentioned they were a limted run and he was offered one as a dealer?

Here's an example of another M90 headstock, which is not Corona but Nashville (or where they done in Westerly?) as far as I know.

Ralf

Yes the Guild Custom shop was in Nashville but we've seen sellers' confusion between the two before.
Front cover of the first Guild Gallery, winter '97-98, calls it the "NEW Guild Custom Shop".
Obviously Westerly accepted "special orders" but I've never heard that referred to as a "custom shop" per se.

 

[adorshki]

Before you all get the wrong idea, I am not drunk in the photo, it was a really bad angle and bad timing shot.

Not at all. Just thought you were dressed up as Peter Green for Halloween. :lol:
NO offense, I worship at the temple of the Green Manalishi, myself. :wink:

 

[SFIV1967]

Before you all get the wrong idea, I am not drunk in the photo, it was a really bad angle and bad timing shot.
Thanks for all the responses, you are all a libraries wealth of Guild facts, I love this site. I do believe it said Fender and made in Corona, CA on the distal headstock, I am going to try to talk the owner down some on the price, although I am going to pay the $1600 if I can't get him down some, his prices do include tax, so that is $116 off it already. I don't think it has a serial number either.

Don, ask him to send you a picture of the back of the headstock. We have seen most of them so we should be able to tell you what it is. If it was a prototype it has no serial number. You saw my above picture of the Nashville example of the back of a headstock.
A 2002 (?) Corona prototype looked like this:



A normal Corona model would have had either a correct serial number and sometimes an additional "Fender Hand-Crafted in Corona, California" sticker on the back of the headstock. But it still would have had a serial numner I think. But the M90 was never produced in Corona.

Ralf

 

[SFIV1967]

I believe we have seen just 2 examples of Bluesbirds with the specific "Fender Custom Shop" logo on them. Was it Alpep who mentioned they were a limted run and he was offered one as a dealer?.

Well, I know already of two of them, one is Jahn's Chris Fleming one (the first picture) and the second one still hangs in Corona today as far as I know. Not sure how many more there are. But they don't say Fender or Corona, see my picture above. The stickers with Fender and Corona are not custom shop models but early "production" models. But again, I never saw a M90 from Corona...
There were other Corona "custom shop" models like the special color versions for NAMM. (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32702)
Ralf

 

[adorshki]

The stickers with Fender and Corona are not custom shop models but early "production" models. But again, I never saw a M90 from Corona...
There were other Corona "custom shop" models like the special color versions for NAMM. (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32702)
Ralf

I wasn't thinking of those two Bleusbirds, but some others that I seem to recall have the actual Fender Custom shop "boomerang" logos on 'em.
Hatted Frau was in on that thread, in fact I seem to recall he started it with a question about the distinction between the Fender and Guild shops.
But something else occurred to me..prior to the transfer of production of the Guild acoustics, Corona was Fender's Custom Shop, period. In fact when I first bought my D40 I thought it was actually a Custom Shop built guitar because of the Corona label.
So I'm wondering if that makes those early "prototype" electrics true Custom Shop guitars or is there some fine point about a "Custom Shop" being a guitar that was actually built to sell as opposed to being a prototype?
I'm thinking the distinction is purely semantic, that those prototypes were in fact built in the Fender Custom Shop, whether one wants to call them true Custom Shop models or not.

 

[donboy53]

Before you all get the wrong idea, I am not drunk in the photo, it was a really bad angle and bad timing shot.

Not at all. Just thought you were dressed up as Peter Green for Halloween. :lol:
NO offense, I worship at the temple of the Green Manalishi, myself. :wink:

I have the complete 3cd set of Fleetwood Mac live in Boston #007613 of 10,000. Great stuff. And The Green Manalishi should run for president in 2016 if I had anything to say, which I don't.

I am going to go take more pictures of the guitar today and post them. What is the easiest way to get them onto LTG?

 

[SFIV1967]

I am going to go take more pictures of the guitar today and post them. What is the easiest way to get them onto LTG?

You need them hosted somewhere else like you did on Shutterfly as example. From there you copy the link to the jpg picture (the file name ending with *.jpg) and include the link in the IMG button on top of the new message.
A more complex description is here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5522
Or you just post the link to the album on Shutterfly like you did earlier already.
Ralf

 

[adorshki]

I have the complete 3cd set of Fleetwood Mac live in Boston #007613 of 10,000. Great stuff.

I stumbled across a version of that on Amazon a couple of years back and ordered it. Yeah it's a monster!
Ever wonder if Paul ripped off, err, sorry, "borrowed" the riff from "Albatross" for "Sun King" on Abbey Road ?:lol:

Oh yeah, found a photo of an actual "custom shop decal" as opposed to a "prototype" decal, in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=27170&p=294039&hilit=fender+custom+shop#p294039
:wink:

 

[SFIV1967]

Thanks for finding that picture Al! Looks like S/N 18 of the Corona made Bluesbirds. And yes, that one can be called a true Fender Custom Shop model with the decal.

Ralf