Guild Jumbo 12 string

[SFIV1967]

I liked that 1976 F-212, What are the specs?

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Ralf

 

[bbernardesjr]

Well, I guess I missed that one on the list. Shiny is better, so when you play them and get "shiny spots" you can't tell...... LOL!!

And they did use Brazilian Rosewood back in the day. I'm thinking at or before 1968-69 for sure. After that time they mixed Brazilian and Indian on the same guitar. Then you have to deal with a much older 12-string and all the stuff that comes with that and the cost factor, and is it really worth it?

Hey friend,

I found some pictures of old models which indeed, they used Brazilian rosewood, but no info about being solid or laminated.

Don't get me wrong, understand that I like different types of wood, tones, guitar bodies, etc...however for my ears, Brazilian rosewood sounds better!

Trust me, I am Brazilian and I had the privilege throughout the years, to really feel and try(brand new and super old models) many many different acoustic guitars made with solid Brazilian rosewood and other thousands of woods which are only available there which you guys never heard of...and maybe never will.

I have some friends in Brazil which are luthiers, they make classical, dreadnought, jumbo models etc and etc models using Brazilian rosewood, other spectacular woods and in different instruments.

For example, if you google:

viola caipira jacarandá da Bahia = (means) 10 string Brazilian guitar made with Brazilian rosewood.
(by the way, there are lots of types of Brazilian rosewood, but you guys probably know that, right?).

On Google you are about to find thousands of Brazilian luthiers, true guitar makers, extremely talented people with make fabulous instruments.

Viola caipira is the most popular instrument in Brazil, for the most popular music style, called (sertanejo raiz or moda de viola) = which means something like: old folk music, old country music.

It is even more popular than classical guitars or any other instrument down there!

You might be thinking that I got used to it, used to the sound or that is just famous because is famous, but no...it sounds different!
We all now that some stuff around the world get famous but they are not great, it's just a name... but in fact Brazilian rosewood became this holy grail of acoustic guitars.

Luckily, I had the opportunity to try those all solid Brazilian rosewood made instruments (acoustic guitars, classical, dreadnought, jumbo, etc) side by side, against Martin, Taylor, Gibson, Cole Clark(Australia), Maton(Australia), Seagull, Japanese Yamaha, few Spanish brands and even some Guilds (yeah Guilds)...in a huge variety of options and top of line models...all beaten!
(Note: some all solid Brazilian rosewood models came close lol)

If I don't find a Guild 12 Jumbo Indian rosewood back and sides which make my ears happy, then I will call one of my friends there in Brazil and order a Jumbo 12 all solid Brazilian rosewood.

As I don't live in Brazil anymore and flights are not friendly to our guitars, I have to call them and discuss this dream guitar and a great case.

Again, please, don't get me wrong...the opinions expressed above were just honest moments that I lived.

I respect and understand all your opinions and thoughts, as I believe the majority of you guys are experts and experienced guys and probably way older than me.

That's all! lol

 

[SFIV1967]

If I don't find a Guild 12 Jumbo Indian rosewood back and sides which make my ears happy, then I will call one of my friends there in Brazil and order a Jumbo 12 all solid Brazilian rosewood.

Brazilian Rosewood has been protected against import and export by the CITES [Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora] treaty since 1991. If a guitar was made after 1992 with Brazilian Rosewood it is deemed illegal, unless it can be proved the timber used was legally held certified stock – now virtually impossible for the end-user / buyer. So there is no legal way to get a new guitar using Brazilian Rosewood from Brazil to the US or Canada.

Ralf

 

[awagner]

I found some pictures of old models which indeed, they used Brazilian rosewood, but no info about being solid or laminated.

My 1970 F512 and 1968 F312 each have a solid Brazilian back. And there are known examples of Brazilian F612s, and they have laminated Brazilian backs. So Guild did not uniformly use one or the other.

 

[bbernardesjr]

Brazilian Rosewood has been protected against import and export by the CITES [Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora] treaty since 1991. If a guitar was made after 1992 with Brazilian Rosewood it is deemed illegal, unless it can be proved the timber used was legally held certified stock – now virtually impossible for the end-user / buyer. So there is no legal way to get a new guitar using Brazilian Rosewood from Brazil to the US or Canada.

Ralf

Hello Ralf,

You are right, I know the legislation in Brazil.

All the famous luthiers in Brazil which use Brazilian rosewood, use only certified wood, if not it is illegal for sure.
Unfortunately, I am really sorry that people still cutting them and selling them around the world, it is a shame!

As it is the most expensive wood in Brazil, it must be certified but now you can use another type of certification.
There is a term now, they call it like "demolition woods", it means you can use protected woods from old furnitures, old buildings, etc.

In Brazil still remains a lot of old furniture, buildings from the colonial era, thousands of old farms and their headquarters, ordinary houses
have window frames, door frames, wooden floors, battens, rafters and beams on their roofs that are made of wood protected by law.

All I mentioned that somehow can no longer stand up, are overthrown and much of the old material is reused because of its quality.

I have Brazilian and non-Brazilian friends around the world(USA, Canada, UK, Portugal, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Russia, Turkey, South Africa, Japan, Australia and New Zealand) which bought acoustic guitars made with using Brazilian protected woods after 1992, made in Brazil or out Brazil and they never had no problem traveling with their instruments around the globe.

I lived in Australia for few years, even over there, where they are EXTREMELY restrictive with everything which comes from abroad, I had no problems traveling with my Brazilian made acoustic guitar and I found some acoustic guitars there made by Brazilian luthiers.

 

[bbernardesjr]

My 1970 F512 and 1968 F312 each have a solid Brazilian back. And there are known examples of Brazilian F612s, and they have laminated Brazilian backs. So Guild did not uniformly use one or the other.

Wow, I would love to see some pictures!

Thanks

 

[awagner]

Here you go. F312, then the F512.

 

[F312]

My 1970 F512 and 1968 F312 each have a solid Brazilian back. And there are known examples of Brazilian F612s, and they have laminated Brazilian backs. So Guild did not uniformly use one or the other.

Can we see the front?

Ralph

 

[bbernardesjr]

Can we see the front?

Ralph

Wow nice figuring wood

I was about to say that, front sides, headstock, seal inside, neck hahaha

Thanks

 

[awagner]

Can we see the front?

Ralph

F312

 

[awagner]

Can we see the front?

Ralph

F512

 

[F312]

Very nice, thank you.

Ralph

 

[bbernardesjr]

F512

the most beautiful Guild I've seen!