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I am not an H(F)B-1 hater. They are pleasant enough PUps, if lacking a truly distinctive voice - but more like HB-1s (although most definitely not the same) than, say, PAFs.

But I am wondering if FB-1s can be custom rebuilt/rewound to get something with a greater sonic semblance to an original HB-1, a much more distinctive PUp.

If so what would such work cost?
 

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Ahh.

I had my Fender HB1s rewound because I wanted to keep the look of the double hump covers. The winder did it for me as a favor and complained that he could not use standard bobbins because they wouldn't fit in the covers and so had to unwind the originals and rewind those.

It's been like 10 years, but I'd imagine he charged me what he charges for pickups which is ~$300 since it was more work than he thought it would be.

You can hear them in my review of the 2000 Starfire IV: https://www.gad.net/Blog/2017/02/02/2000-guild-starfire-iv-4/
 

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Thanks.

Mr Wagner seems not to offer rewinding as a service anymore.

The review of the 2000 Starfire IV is great, both entertaining and informative. You write extremely well and have a lovely, effortless-to-read prose style.

Your Starfire IV, itself, is gorgeous. Drool.

I very much like the sound of your rewound pickups. I would be interested to hear them used in a Jazz style.

I have never picked up an "FB-1" equipped Corona Guild that I could find fault with except that Fender's HB-1s are not immediately inspiring, not bad, just ... sort of indeterminate.

They can be made to work with technique, amp tone controls, and the right strings - not ideal but better, much, much better.

I have found that they open up and breath quite a bit when fed very heavy gauge strings. I use D'Addario 13-56 1/2 rounds with mine - nice tonal balance for me. They also work with D'Addario 12-54 round wounds, but these are too bright, too Rockabilly/Duane Eddy, for me. They also work quite well with heavier Rotosounds, but these are also too bright for me. However, they don't work well with all heavy gauge strings. To my ears, they sound like crap with flat wounds, even the heaviest going - they just seem to collapse into a sea of mud.

I have large and fairly strong hands, and i like the stability of intonation of notes with heavy strings (little unintended micro-vibrato, not much interference with string vibration from the pickups). So the Fender HB-1s sort of work for me.

I do not own anything with original HB-1s or with SD-1s. (And I have never played anything with the new Cordoba HB-1s.) But I have gone to friends' houses and tried the originals and the Seymour Duncans in comparison to the Fender HB-1s. I do not like the SD-1s so much, only because they are not best suited to how I play, but then I was not able to restring or re-set up the guitar which they were in to my liking, and then they were not in a hollow body or chambered guitar. The original HB-1s, however, I do adore. 😍
 
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Off on a tangent here ... There seem to be quite a variety of things being offered for sale as HB-1s on line.

There are the original$ which $eldom $eem to come up for $ale anymore.

There are the SD-1s.

There are the Fender HB-1s, sold honestly at quite inexpensive prices and sold deceptively/ambiguously at much higher prices.

There are the Cordoba HB-1s, quite modestly priced new.

But I also see ones being sold as DeArmond HB-1s. What are these?
 
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there's nothing wrong with those pickups. different than the classic Guild HB-1, but they sound great to my ears. try adjusting the pole pieces. i would also try Ernie Ball strings (11s if it were myself)

check out this vid w the Fender HB-1:



here is a similar guitar with what looks like the Guild HB-1:

 

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@GAD

Off on a tangent here ... There seem to be quite a variety of things being offered for sale as HB-1s on line.

There are the original$ which $eldom $eem to come up for $ale anymore.

There are the SD-1s.

There are the Fender HB-1s, sold honestly at quite inexpensive prices and sold deceptively/ambiguously at much higher prices.

There are the Cordoba HB-1s, quite modestly priced new.

But I also see ones being sold as D'Armond HB-1s. What are these?


I'd need a link, but I've seen a lot of people who assume that the original Guild HB1s were made by DeArmond for some reason.
 

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there's nothing wrong with those pickups. different than the classic Guild HB-1, but they sound great to my ears. try adjusting the pole pieces. i would also try Ernie Ball strings (11s if it were myself)

As said above: "I am not an H(F)B-1 hater. They are pleasant enough PUps, if lacking a truly distinctive voice - but more like HB-1s (although most definitely not the same) than, say, PAFs."

In the videos above, I like the sound of the X-150 more than that of the ES-175. I like the greater openness of the Fender HB-1 which does sound more similar to an original HB-1 than not. I like the even much more open sound of the X-170 more, though.

I have never tried the Thomastik round-wound$. I have always baulked at their co$t. Maybe I should cough up.

My Fender HB-1s work well enough for me. To my ears: they sound best with heavy gauge strings; they sound best with a tube amp with a 12AY7 in the pre-amp and 6L6s in the power amp; they sound best with a warm and sparkly ribbed speaker - something classically Fender-ish. But the originals sure do sound nice, don't they?
 

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any decent pickup wiuld aound great in the amp u describe above!

the confusion with the Dearmond thing I belive originated when at some point something was posted on the internet, or possibly published in Guild literature, that stated the HB-1 was designed to look like a vintage Dearmond of some sort. around the same time, a Dearmond pickup that does look similar to the Guild was available. u can see that it does look similar:

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IIRC, it was the "Duncan/Fender" era in the late 90s that somehow connected the original HB-1 to an even earlier Dearmond design, and in the late 90s the new Guild humbuckers looked just the same. In fact when I purchased a mint 1997 SF-2 w Duncans on ebay, the seller (located in Westerly RI), insisted the pickups were made by Dearmond. I believe in 1997 they may have been advertised as a "reproduction of the classic Dearmond" or incorrectly referred to as such by someone in the press, or something to that effect. none of that really makes any sense, but you cannot deny the aesthic similarites of the Gold tone pickup that was available on Dearmonds in the 90s and 2000's, with the HB-1's from the same time frame.
 

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Another thing I forgot to mention is that I use a Behringer ADI21 Acoustic Guitar Modeling Pedal & Direct Box, which I picked up dirt cheap used, to add a very little modelled mic'd acoustic guitar sound into the signal from the from the "FB-1s." This also helps to open things up a bit.

But none of all this matters at all if I don't actually learn to play. ;)

Put me up on stage with a beautiful vintage X-500, set up perfectly for me, and a nice vintage Fender tube amp like a Princeton. Put me in competition with a resurrected Grant Green or Wes Montgomery. Give him/them a (playable) mail-order archtop from Sears Roebuck and a Crate solidstate amp. Trust me. I am going to die and die badly.

The gear helps, but it's not the thing.

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That is a very pretty pickup in the picture above.
 

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And now for the latest invention, the portable Faraday cage to protect that all important gray matter from harmful radiation, you can still wear the gold foil over it ;]

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The Faraday cage in my back yard, makes a great bugzapper ;]

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