F512 Specifications

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I'm going to put together an unofficial spec sheet for the F512 and put it online here. Maybe it can be of some use to other owners who need the data from time to time. The Guild website has inaccurate (and rather incomplete) data online.

Let's see if we can gather all the information. I imagine some of these specs are common across all years of the F512, but I'm not positive. Also, I know that many of the details here will be the same for the F412 as well as the F50 and F50R. Maybe I can broaden the scope of this eventually. Part of the problem that sparked this effort, though, is cut-and-paste errors on the Guild website.

Anyway, while gathering the dimensions of the parts is something I will do for a 2006, Tacoma-era model, there are some things folks might know out there about my model and earlier models... Can you folks help if you're interested? I'd like to compile that data into one place (here, ultimately). [I'm editing in the answers to these initial questions (and comments) as I get them; soon I'll put all the data into tabular form for reference]:

1. The white plastic binding / purfling that's used throughout the guitar... Is it "boltaron?" Is it just "white plastic?" I know it's *not* ivoroid. [any specifics here would be helpful]

2. At the center of my 2006 soundhole rosette is a ring of (what looks like) pickguard material. It's red tortoise-shell. Is it plastic? Is the rest of the rosette and purfling just black and white plastic? I know some of you have abalone rosettes; does anyone know what years those were used?

3. What is the material on the front of the peghead that makes that signature, mirror-black surface? [answer: black plastic] While we're on the subject, does anyone know what materials are used to make the Guild script and shield? [answer: mother of pearl] I don't think this has changed through the years, but I don't know.

4. I *don't* have measurements for the old-style bridge. Can someone do that on theirs? Mine has the newer bridge shape.

5. Does anyone know if the 12" radius of the fretboard (published on Guild's site) is correct? I don't know how to measure that.

6. Does anyone know the material of the compensated saddle that's on my Tacoma? It didn't "feel" like plastic when I had it out last time. Someone suggested the "hot pin" method of testing to see whether it smells like plastic or hair, but I haven't done that...

7. I recall somewhere seeing the saddle dimensions for the older, non-compensated saddle. Does anyone have those? I'll measure the compensated saddle.

8. Am I correct that all years of F512 production used nitro-cellulose finishes? [answer: yes]

9. Are all years a 3-piece neck of mahogany/maple/mahogany? The maple strip is very narrow down the middle of my neck; are they all like that? Sorry, no picture for that.

10. Have F512s always used Grover gold-plated minis?

11. What is the material that the blocks (and embedded arrowheads) are made of inlayed into the fretboard? [answer: mother of pearl blocks with abalone triangles].

rosette, pickguard, and bridge:
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peghead:
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Hi, the pic is a bit reflective, but usually the block inlay is MOP and the insert inlay in the block is Abalone.

At least on the older ones.
 

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GuildFS4612CE said:
Hi, the pic is a bit reflective, but usually the block inlay is MOP and the insert inlay in the block is Abalone.

At least on the older ones.
I think that's exactly right. Mine definitely looks like an abalone triangle arrowhead inside a mother of pearl rectangle. Sorry for the reflection!

OK, that's what we'll go with! Thanks.
 

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I'm affraid a general answer to many of your questions could be 'plastic if not stated otherwise' and of which there are quite many to choose from, Boltaron being one. I doubt Guild would have used cheap plastic. For the full story to be told Ivoroid also is a plastic, probably of a Boltaron-esque sort.

The faceplate that covers the headstock should be plastic on the fancier models w. bound headstock. Simpler models are just painted black.

Yes, MOP is that milky white stuff and the abalone (which is derived from seashells too) is the silvery one.

I assume Guild would have used bone for the saddle, and didn't Guild use nitro finish throughout on the SuperJumbo models, even during the Corona stint?
 

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Good stuff, Jonas. I was trying to be more specific with the binding/purfling/rosette materials, but yeah you're right about just different types of plastics. I guess if anyone knows details, I'd be happy to include them.

So, the faceplate is black plastic? I thought so, but I wasn't sure. I guess no wood is that consistently black.

I don't know if the saddle is bone. I do know that my compensated saddle is different from earlier 512s, but I don't know when Guild swapped over. I'll probably try that hot pin test and take detailed dimensions next time I change the strings. And, yes, I think the nitro-cellulose lacquer is a common element since day 1.
 

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Chazman, The nut was bone and the uncompensated saddle was plastic when I got my F512 last summer. Not sure why they would mix like that, but shortly after receiving it, I replaced the saddle with bone...
 

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Scratch said:
Chazman, The nut was bone and the uncompensated saddle was plastic when I got my F512 last summer. Not sure why they would mix like that, but shortly after receiving it, I replaced the saddle with bone...
Scratch, I tried to send you PM but it didn't work right... I'd like to figure out if yours was built before mine, as I'm assuming so since mine has a compensated saddle. Could you post or PM me your serial number. Frankly, I'm a little shocked that the compensated saddle is such a new thing for the 512.

Did you replace the saddle with a compensated saddle?
 

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Does anyone have a volute on their F512 neck? The F412R-SPEC model that grew into the F512 had a neck volute. My F512 does not have any volute.

Note the picture of the rear of the F412R-SPEC below:

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Chazmo said:
Does anyone have a volute on their F512 neck? The F412R-SPEC model that grew into the F512 had a neck volute. My F512 does not have any volute.
Note the picture of the rear of the F412R-SPEC below.

Hey Chazmo,

That's my picture!

As far as the volute is concerned:
Every Guild that came out of the Hoboken factory between 1965 and 1969 has a volute. See page 42 of The Guild Guitar Book.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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YES, credit to Hans for the pic of that F412R-SPEC (sorry, I should've said that)!! No question about the wood on that beast!

Hans, FYI, I was talking to a fellow on UMGF who said he had been the owner of this guitar, and he passed this picture along in a thread there. He said that you'd photographed it while at a guitar show in Long Island.

Oh, and thank you Hans for the info on the volute.

[ ... ] See page 42 of The Guild Guitar Book.
Heheh... I most surely will, Hans. It's on its way from JK Lutherie. ;)
 

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Chazmo said:
YES, credit to Hans for the pic of that F412R-SPEC (sorry, I should've said that)!!

Hello Chazmo,

That's OK! I realize that photos tend to lead a life of their own once they're on the internet. In a lot of cases people simply don't know anymore where a photo originated from. I can live with that.
Usually I put my guitarchives stamp on it, like in this case. I do that so people cannot use my photos for fraudulent eBay auctions.

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Scratch said:
Chazman, The nut was bone and the uncompensated saddle was plastic when I got my F512 last summer. Not sure why they would mix like that, but shortly after receiving it, I replaced the saddle with bone...

Scratch,

I've been reading about various passive and active on board pickup installations. A number of pick ups (mainly under saddle transducer style) suggest using some sort of hard plastic saddle instead of a bone saddle. Allegedly, bone saddles do not have a consistent structural quality, and sound will suffer when used with a transducer. This may or may not be Guild's reasoning for the hard plastic saddle.
 

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Dr Izza Plumber said:
Scratch said:
Chazman, The nut was bone and the uncompensated saddle was plastic when I got my F512 last summer. Not sure why they would mix like that, but shortly after receiving it, I replaced the saddle with bone...

Scratch,

I've been reading about various passive and active on board pickup installations. A number of pick ups (mainly under saddle transducer style) suggest using some sort of hard plastic saddle instead of a bone saddle. Allegedly, bone saddles do not have a consistent structural quality, and sound will suffer when used with a transducer. This may or may not be Guild's reasoning for the hard plastic saddle.

Doc: I added the B-band when Ross swapped out the saddle. My D55 w/Dtar came from the factory with a bone saddle, but it may have been engineered with that in mind. Heck... I dunno... It's a mystery to me!!! :?

Chazmo: I'm a bit behind on the site of late. hate it when work gets in the way!! :shock: Anyway, I'll PM you with the serial number from the house this evening...
 

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danerectal said:
Isn't the black on the headstock a fiberboard and not plastic?

Hmm... I'll admit, I don't know what the difference is. To me, it looks like shiny, black plastic. I know it scratches like plastic... What is fiberboard, Dane?
 
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