F30/F30R Scale Lengths Over the Years?

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This is weird, slightly obsessive question, but can anybody (Hi Hans!) provide some kind of breakdown of the scale lengths of F30/F30r models over the years?

Any information is most appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris
 

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plaidseason said:
This is weird, slightly obsessive question, but can anybody (Hi Hans!) provide some kind of breakdown of the scale lengths of F30/F30r models over the years?

Any information is most appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

Chris,
I have two F-30's: an F-30 from 1982, with a 25 1/2" scale, and an F-30R from 1999, with a 24 7/8" scale.

According to the Guild Book, it seems that the scale length was always 25 1/2" from the beginning. It wasn't until Guild re-released them in the late '90's that the scale was shortened to 24 7/8". There is a difference in feel between the two. The shorter scale reminds me of some of the Gibson models from long ago.

Then, of course, you know about the LS version. It seems that was a throw back to the original scale length. (let me know when yours is going on the market :)
That's what I know. Hans may be able to chime in here with a little bit more info, more up to date.
Good luck.
 

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plaidseason said:
This is weird, slightly obsessive question, but can anybody (Hi Hans!) provide some kind of breakdown of the scale lengths of F30/F30r models over the years?

Any information is most appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

Hello Chris,

I will give you a quick runover:

It was a long scale during the '50s when the bodies were maple. Around 1959 it became a short scale and it stayed that way till the Custom Shop introduced the 'long scale' mahogany and rosewood versions at the end of the '90s. After those were discontinued (just before the closing of the Westerly plant) there was a regular rosewood long scale available as well.

That's about it just off the top of my head. Unless I've forgotten something!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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hansmoust said:
plaidseason said:
This is weird, slightly obsessive question, but can anybody (Hi Hans!) provide some kind of breakdown of the scale lengths of F30/F30r models over the years?

Any information is most appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

Hello Chris,

I will give you a quick runover:

It was a long scale during the '50s when the bodies were maple. Around 1959 it became a short scale and it stayed that way till the Custom Shop introduced the 'long scale' mahogany and rosewood versions at the end of the '90s. After those were discontinued (just before the closing of the Westerly plant) there was a regular rosewood long scale available as well.

That's about it just off the top of my head. Unless I've forgotten something!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Alright, guys, I am treading on dangerous territory here, in disputing the mighty Hans.

Hans, I think you have it backwards. I am just quoting your book, in saying that the long scale (25 1/2") was in effect all along from the beginning. You make no mention of the short scale anywhere. (I just looked). Plus, my own F-30 from 1982 has that longer scale.
And in 1999, the scale is shorter, 24 7/8" . I know, I just measured my '99 a few minutes ago, just to be sure, before I answered Plaidseason.
Unless we are getting mixed up in our terminology. Just exactly what is the dimensions of the short scale, and while we're at it, the long scale?

Meltalman
 

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Metalman said:
Alright, guys, I am treading on dangerous territory here, in disputing the mighty Hans.

Hans, I think you have it backwards. I am just quoting your book, in saying that the long scale (25 1/2") was in effect all along from the beginning. You make no mention of the short scale anywhere. (I just looked). Plus, my own F-30 from 1982 has that longer scale.
And in 1999, the scale is shorter, 24 7/8" . I know, I just measured my '99 a few minutes ago, just to be sure, before I answered Plaidseason.
Unless we are getting mixed up in our terminology. Just exactly what is the dimensions of the short scale, and while we're at it, the long scale?

Meltalman

Hi Metalman,

Sorry, I was trying to do it too fast! But I don't have it backwards; I just forgot something.

You're right! I didn't mention the short scale around 1959 in the book but it did happen. That was when they went to the mahogany bodies.

I forgot to list the change around 1975 when they went to the long scale again and it stayed that way till the discontinuation at the end of 1985.

When the guitar was reissued in the '90s it was the short scale again untill the Custom Shop came out with the long scale versions etc. etc.

Ok, I hope I did it right this time! Don't have much time! I'm actually doing some photo shooting for the book right now!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
 

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Thanks Hans. I made a P.S. on page 118 and noted the additions you mentioned.

Then if I am looking at a 1970 F-30, such as in the one that is on E-Bay right now (and it needs work), the scale length should be the short scale. It certainly looks it in the photo.

By the way, next time you're in NY, let me know ahead of time. Is not a problem to jump on the Ferry and take the subway up to Times Square. Would love to meet you. We can go up and see Carlo Greco together.
I love visiting him and picking his brain.

I know a fantastic Chinese food restaurant on 44th street, off 7th ave. Lunch is on me.

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Thanks Hands and Co. That's pretty much how I thought it went, I just wasn't sure.

P.S. Hans I'm completely reread your book for like the 40th time this weekend. It's a true gem and it's always a thrill to look and read through. It's an added bonus that so much of the action takes place within and close to my home on the eastern Connecticut shoreline.
 
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FWIW: my 1975 F-30 has a 25-1/2" scale.

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That's a nice looking guitar. How does it stack up against your mini-jumbo, you know - the one in your profile. Is that the GF-52?
 
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The axe in my avatar is a GF55.

They very unique individual guitars. The F30 is light as a feather and is a great finger picking axe. It holds up to strumming, but gets find of muddy when pushed too hard. It has been dead reliable for the 30+ years its been in the family. I can't remember the last time I had to adjust the neck - if I've ever had too. There was a time when I was using medium gauge strings on it to give more "oomph", but have since gone back to lights.

The GF55 is much heavier, being made of rosewood instead of mahogany.
The rosewood and the larger body give it a louder presence but it still has a nice intimate feel that I think gets lost in a jumbo size. It can be fingerpicked or flatpicked hard without it sounding mushy. It makes a good all-round solo instrument.

The F30 has been a lifelong companion. I bought it new in 1975. My dealer had ot order it from the factory. I think he was suprized when I went upto the counter and said "I want you to order me Guild F30, I have cash to pay for it." It cost me $325.00 back then which was a BUNCH of lawn mowing at $5 a lawn.

The GF55 was my engagement present from my then wife-to-be in 1991. There's not much more I can say about that......
 

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lonesome picker said:
The axe in my avatar is a GF55.

They very unique individual guitars. The F30 is light as a feather and is a great finger picking axe. It holds up to strumming, but gets find of muddy when pushed too hard. It has been dead reliable for the 30+ years its been in the family. I can't remember the last time I had to adjust the neck - if I've ever had too. There was a time when I was using medium gauge strings on it to give more "oomph", but have since gone back to lights.

The GF55 is much heavier, being made of rosewood instead of mahogany.
The rosewood and the larger body give it a louder presence but it still has a nice intimate feel that I think gets lost in a jumbo size. It can be fingerpicked or flatpicked hard without it sounding mushy. It makes a good all-round solo instrument.

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Lonesome,
That is a good description of the tonal quality of two very different sounding guitars.
I have the same F-30, only from 1981, and how you described it, is pretty close to how I would say goes for mine as well. Warm, very focused midrange, very light, good for strumming as well as fingerpicking. I used to have light gauge strings on it, tried mediums. It raises the action a bit, which is good for slide. I had all Tusq bridge pins, saddle, nut installed, and that really brought out the tone in this puppy.
My '82 D-50 is close to how you described your GF55. Rosewood body, Spruce top, ebony, etc. Very bright, lots of bottom, very wide range of timbres in this guitar. Seems when I play two notes together, I hear three. Lots of harmonic action taking place when I play this instrument.
The differences between these two guitars is so much that you would think they were from different companies. But both are from Westerly, and just one year apart. One of course is a dreadnought, and the other is a mini-jumbo, but still the difference is amazing.
I guess that is one reason we have more than one; it gives us a palette from which to choose our sounds, and fit our moods.
And we musicians are moody people . . . aint' we.
 
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