Ed Roman's opinion on Guild factories

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Ed Roman has quite a "rant and rave" reputation. I too visited his store while once in Vegas. Interesting that. First, at the time, it wasn't "open" in the conventional sense. One made an "apointment". Once there a "tour guide" checked your name off of the appointment list and gave you a tour of the store. They kept wanting to know what guitar I needed. Well, at the time I owned about 75 guitars and just wanted to look at stuff I didn't have. They had a strict look, but, don't touch policy. My guide just about had a coniption fit anytime I reached out to examine something more closely. It was also clear the tour guide had a script as he didn't respond well to questions and "do you have". At the end of the tour I met another guy who asked what kind of guitar I was interested in. He was there to give me a further tour of the particular instruments in which I might be interested. Well, it was such a "Twilight Zone" experience that I just said thanks and left even though they probably had a dozen guitars there that I would have bought. I always pictured the guy like the "Soup Nazi" of "Seinfield" fame. Only he was saying: "NO GUILDS FOR YOU! COME BACK..ONE YEAR!"
 

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guitarslinger said:
Ed Roman has quite a "rant and rave" reputation. I too visited his store while once in Vegas. Interesting that. First, at the time, it wasn't "open" in the conventional sense. One made an "apointment". Once there a "tour guide" checked your name off of the appointment list and gave you a tour of the store. They kept wanting to know what guitar I needed. Well, at the time I owned about 75 guitars and just wanted to look at stuff I didn't have. They had a strict look, but, don't touch policy. My guide just about had a coniption fit anytime I reached out to examine something more closely. It was also clear the tour guide had a script as he didn't respond well to questions and "do you have". At the end of the tour I met another guy who asked what kind of guitar I was interested in. He was there to give me a further tour of the particular instruments in which I might be interested. Well, it was such a "Twilight Zone" experience that I just said thanks and left even though they probably had a dozen guitars there that I would have bought. I always pictured the guy like the "Soup Nazi" of "Seinfield" fame. Only he was saying: "NO GUILDS FOR YOU! COME BACK..ONE YEAR!"

Wow. How do pompous ba$tards like this stay in business? He makes Jay at New Hope sound tame by comparison. I had a fairly long talk with Jay a couple of weeks ago, and he just about had a coronary when I mentioned to him that I belonged here. He went into this long diatribe about how the internet, eBay, Craigslist, and this place are ruining his business, and went on to say that all anyone does here is brag about how cheap they got this or that Guild (which I know is not the truth). I didn't want to say it to him, but why should we pay extra for his expertise buying a guitar when most of it possess it already? :roll:
 

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If there were several Guilds displayed for sale, in a store, and I was in the market, I'd play each one first, then see if there was any imperfection that could knock a few dollars off the price of my choice...last thing I'd care about is where it was made, this not including the GADs which really are a different animal, but also an excellent guitar for the money, I've played a couple of them, and they are pretty darn nice too.....Lets just keep slogging the Corona made guitars, so they will continue to be a good deal for a slightly better price...nothing at all wrong with them...I have one, and also have heard great things about the Corona electrics... :) Steffan
 

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taabru45 said:
...Lets just keep slogging the Corona made guitars, so they will continue to be a good deal for a slightly better price...nothing at all wrong with them...I have one, and also have heard great things about the Corona electrics... :) Steffan


I'm with you on that.

As it turns out my '05 X-150D is actually an '06, but I still can't find anything wrong with it. It has some funny wood things SOME might say were defects, but I do not. Oh yeah, "flame" maple, that's it.

My '61 J-45 Gibson had all kinds of wood grain stuff that I thought were blemishes, back in the sixties. Turns out they were "bearclaw" patterns in the Adirondak spruce top (now highly favored in some markets)!

Pursuant to Ed Roman, where was he before Vegas? I forget.
 

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Pursuant to Ed Roman, where was he before Vegas? I forget.[/quote]

Who cares. Steffan
 

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taabru45 said:
Pursuant to Ed Roman, where was he before Vegas? I forget.

Who cares. Steffan[/quote]

Ha ha. Well ya got me there.

I just remembered when he had a lot more great pictures up and was touting The Heritage line he wasn't in Vegas.

Maybe it's the water there...

Maybe Darth Vader persuaded him over to the dark side. :idea:
 

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Fact is, I don't know who this guy is, or was or anything about him, I read what he said, and knew he was full of crap...so that's all I really needed to know....I'd value the opinions of anyone here, above his...and there are folks here who honestly appreciate Fenders, Gibsons, Larrivees, etc..we call it on the ups and downs of any guitar,and that's purely refreshing to me...I got some great feedback when I posted pics of my Larrivee 09.....and have seen many lovely and weird guitars on this here forum. :wink: Steffan
 

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adorshki said:
"Caveat Emptor"
I suggest that none of us is likely to buy anything from this guy, but we may read him just to get pissed off - so "caveat lector" is more appropriate.

Oh, I know, I know, picking nits off gnats, but I just can't help it.
 

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twocorgis said:
[ He makes Jay at New Hope sound tame by comparison. I had a fairly long talk with Jay a couple of weeks ago, and he just about had a coronary when I mentioned to him that I belonged here. He went into this long diatribe about how the internet, eBay, Craigslist, and this place are ruining his business, and went on to say that all anyone does here is brag about how cheap they got this or that Guild (which I know is not the truth). I didn't want to say it to him, but why should we pay extra for his expertise buying a guitar when most of it possess it already?
Jay is a good guy, wih a ton of expertise that most of us do not have a sniff at. He's been dealing Guild guitars and amps for years, before eBay and forums like this were dreamt of.

Many experts have been able for years to make a living by providing hard-to-find knowledge, and by making good deals on various items like guitars because of that knowledge. Now it's way harder - its much easier for us amateurs to find arcane knowledge, and markets like eBay make it simple for individuals to sell instruments into a worldwide market without any intermediaries, and sometimes those of us who consistently cruise the web for deals are able to make good scores.

But sometimes the ignorant sellers and poor disclosures make bad deals inevitable. My G312 was not a good deal, and I seriously burned myself by hitting an attractive Buy-It-Now on a wreck of a '53 X350. Had I been more prudent, and not able to take the hit, I would have been better off to buy a guitar from a reputable expert like Jay - there is very little risk there - he is an expert, and his continuing business depends on full disclosure and satisfied customers. in fact I did buy a (broken) Mark IV from him, because he described that it as Brazilian rosewood and I trust his knowledge of such things.

It's not easy for people whose businesses depend on such expertise to compete when quasi-expertise and real knowledge is so much more freely available. Retailers and specialty dealers in all domains are having the same difficulty - we consumers shop all over the world for the very best deals, often made by people with no overheads and little experience or knowledge ("found this one in an estate sale", "I don't know anything about guitars, but my buddy asked me to list this for him" etc.), and we expect, nay, demand, that guys like Jay meet the "best" price. He offers real knwledge, real service and real means to make sure your deal does not go sideways - that should be worth a couple of hundred bucks to most people who are buying one or two guitars.

The problem is finding a way for that extra service and knowledge to come through the web with a reasonable return to the provider.
 

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i had a few business dealing with ed. one went very bad and that was it for me.

Jay is one of the good guys. Knows his business in and out and is reliable and honest. i have known him for a long time
 

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alpep said:
i had a few business dealing with ed. one went very bad and that was it for me.

Jay is one of the good guys. Knows his business in and out and is reliable and honest. i have known him for a long time
Sounds a tad on the two-faced side to me...
 

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Wasn't Ed Roman a purveyor of BC Rich guitars? Are they not made in California?

He bought a bunch of body blanks and necks when BC Rich went belly up
THis was when he had East Coast Music Mall in Danbury CT.
Apperently he made more guitars than he had parts.
He been sued a number of times.
 

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yettoblaster said:
taabru45 said:
...Lets just keep slogging the Corona made guitars, so they will continue to be a good deal for a slightly better price...nothing at all wrong with them...I have one, and also have heard great things about the Corona electrics... :) Steffan


I'm with you on that.

As it turns out my '05 X-150D is actually an '06, but I still can't find anything wrong with it. It has some funny wood things SOME might say were defects, but I do not. Oh yeah, "flame" maple, that's it.

My '61 J-45 Gibson had all kinds of wood grain stuff that I thought were blemishes, back in the sixties. Turns out they were "bearclaw" patterns in the Adirondak spruce top (now highly favored in some markets)!

Pursuant to Ed Roman, where was he before Vegas? I forget.

Danbury CT
You do want to deal with him....
Things often go very wrong ....
Its never his fault.
 

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cuthbert said:
Guys, I don't think you know who Ed Roman is...the man's got a reputation among Jackson/Charvel and BC Rich fans...basically they want to skin him at sight.
What about ESP fans?
 
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