Diff between JF65-12 and F-412?

[bdeclee]

Still learning a lot about these instruments, as you can see.

What is the difference between the JF 12-string models and the F-series? My F-512 is a jumbo body, so what does the "JF" signify?

Ta,
Barbara

 

[california]

My understanding is that they are the same, the F-412 and F-512 became the JF 55-12 and JF-65 12 for a while in the mid-late nineties.

 

[12 string]

I don't know why the people at Faas Group/US Music changed the names of those guitars, but the F-412 became the JF-65 12 and the F-512 became the JF-55 12 for a while. The only thing which changed were the names, the guitars are the same. Fender changed the names back after a few years.

 

[tacoma001]

Barb, I think the "JF" signified Jumbo F - body style, but not positive. Hans would know for sure...Jim

 

[hansmoust]

I don't know why the people at Faas Group/US Music changed the names of those guitars, but the F-412 became the JF-65 12 and the F-512 became the JF-55 12 for a while. The only thing which changed were the names, the guitars are the same. Fender changed the names back after a few years.

Hello 12 string,

Actually it was the owners before the Faas Group that changed the model names!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[BluesDan]

Then the JF-55 6-string would be equivalent to ???????????

 

[fungusyoung]

Then the JF-55 6-string would be equivalent to ???????????

F50R ???

 

[BluesDan]

Then the JF-55 6-string would be equivalent to ???????????

F50R ???

That was my guess, but wasn't sure.........????

 

[chazmo]

I don't know why the people at Faas Group/US Music changed the names of those guitars, but the F-412 became the JF-65 12 and the F-512 became the JF-55 12 for a while. The only thing which changed were the names, the guitars are the same. Fender changed the names back after a few years.

12 string,

Actually, I was wondering if I saw something incorrectly the other day... Is there an abalone soundhole rosette inlay in the JF models? I don't have that on my F512.

Yeah, Fender sure did a weird thing there.

 

[fungusyoung]

Guild is infamous for playing around with model numbers and specifications. It's truly comical to see how they've changed several models from where I sit, but it might drive a guy like Hans a little batty.

A recent example of this is the brand new Tacoma made DV6. This used to be a mahogany version of the DV52 in the late Westerly days, which ain't ancient history. Now, the new ones inexplicably have rosewood back/sides. I can't imagine how much confusion stuff like this causes 10- 15 years down the road.

 

[Graham]

Actually, I was wondering if I saw something incorrectly the other day... Is there an abalone soundhole rosette inlay in the JF models? I don't have that on my F512.

Yeah, Fender sure did a weird thing there.

Yes and it's on my DV-52 as well, very nice.

 

[chazmo]

Actually, I was wondering if I saw something incorrectly the other day... Is there an abalone soundhole rosette inlay in the JF models? I don't have that on my F512.

Yeah, Fender sure did a weird thing there.

Yes and it's on my DV-52 as well, very nice.

Hey, Graham! Cool. I think it must've been your guitar that I was looking at? Yeah, so I guess there are some differences over the years. Abalone is different than my Tacoma F512... It has a kind of tortoise-shell rosette in the midst of the black/white strips.

 

[12 string]

My JF-65 12 does not have abalone around the sound hole; that came after I got mine. I think they continued using abalone for a while after they changed the nomenclature back to "F-412" and "F-512". Maybe Hans can help us out; I'm curious about this myself.

 

[chazmo]

Do you know what the tortoise-shell material is that's used in the rosette? Is it plastic? It's not described in the specs on Guild's web site.

 

[BluesDan]

My 2000 JF-55 6 string has abalone around the soundhole. When I contacted FMIC about my guitar serial # looking for info. they responded that it was a "special order" instrument and that they did not have records on such. Don't know if that was just their way of blowing me off or if it has anything to do with the specs of mine. Mine has bone nut, compensated saddle, and the abalone soundhole, I was trying to find out if it was all stock or modified or special order. I may never know, although it really dosn't matter much, I was just curious.

 

[William63]

I think it would be real nice if Guild changed the rosette on the F512 & F412 to a nice abalone rosette with the tortise pickguard..it would look sharp!

 

[bdeclee]

ABSOLUTELY!!! I'm so jealous of those abalone rosettes!

 

[chazmo]

Hehe! You gotta' love Taylor for basically raising the bar on ornamentation. I love my new F512, but the aesthetics are kind of a weird mix, to be honest. You've got that bling-bling peghead which is very cool, but it's framed in that bright white binding (which I'm not really that fond of), and then you have really a very plain soundhole rosette.

Not that I'm complaining...

 

[bdeclee]

Just wait a couple of years (like 20, maybe?) That blinding white binding on the peghead will turn a lovely ivory shade. And those gaudy tuners will oxidize rather nicely too!

Barbara

 

[chazmo]

Do you think the white binding will mellow, Barbara? I've seen some white plastic on old Martins that, well, never really tones down. I prefer the ivoroid binding on my Taylors, which has a nice, muted color. But, OH, wouldn't a nice wooden, maple binding look outstanding on this baby? Or maybe bloodwood? Sorry, that's my Taylor side talking!