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...and she's a spectacular guitar! The sound is full, chimey, with good volume. Somebody mentioned the fat trebles on these. Fat they are, and all the way up the neck. Good focused bass, just nicely balanced from top to bottom. Seller didn't disclose all the issues, but there's nothing that can't be fixed. Plays fine, but closer to needing a reset than stated, just enough break angle on the E & B strings. I use lights, so she should go a few years. Some undisclosed chipping along the neck binding up beyond the repair. There's a finish chip out of the treble side neck binding. The top ding, though fixable, is larger than he stated. Pretty nice overall condition otherwise, no other dings at all. Plastic bridge pins (I don't imagine these are original?) and what appears to be micarta or some other yellowed material for the saddle (uncompensated, stuck in there, haven't messed with it yet.) I'm taking her to the shop tomorrow to have her gone over, then get with the seller with what the shop says. We'll see... Doesn't matter really, he's not getting her back either way. I took a good look at the bracing, and it's almost exactly the same as the bracing in my '98 D55, both back and top, and entirely different than the bracing in my '99 D40, so if that's any indication, it looks like Guild did use Gruhn/Walker elements long after those guys were gone. The D55 does have a belly, and is a tone monster and rumbles more than the D60, but still has great mids and trebles. The D60 has a much smaller bridge plate, a little less, but more focused bass than the D55, with a more refined voice, and those beautiful chimey piano like trebles...
 

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Pike said:
... Plastic bridge pins (I don't imagine these are original?)
Hi Pike and congratulations! .... but you need to imagine that the pins are original :( +1 on JK's remark about noticeable uptick upgrading the pins; I switched plastic for bone and got almost nothing. If you want the bump, it seems to be most pronounced with a new nut, saddle, and the fresh pins. CJ
 

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But that D60 sounds like a real rare treat - enjoy, enjoy.
She is a treat John!

Hi Pike and congratulations!
Thanks CJ!
If you want the bump, it seems to be most pronounced with a new nut, saddle, and the fresh pins. CJ
I went to ebony pins, noticed some difference. The nuts on these are plastic too? Yep, sure looks it. Also not 1 3/4" nut as seller stated, but 1 11/16".
 

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If it was me, Pike, I would just pony up and get a new bone nut and saddle. You would be fine with some hard pins like ebony, or could get some nice bones ones if you wanted for the look and durability. The pins probably don't affect the tone all that much, but plastic pins are so 20th century.
 

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FNG said:
... but plastic pins are so 20th century.
... and when they do the bent thing particularly the slotted ones, they look for all the world like something that belongs in a dentist's trash can .... :wink: CJ
 

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If it was me, Pike, I would just pony up and get a new bone nut and saddle.
I will do that sooner rather than later FNG. When she is ready for the reset, I'll have the neck binding entirely replaced.

when they do the bent thing particularly the slotted ones, they look for all the world like something that belongs in a dentist's trash can
These ones are in pretty decent shape CJ, but I know what you mean about old plastic ones. I especially like the ones pulled out with pliers...
 

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My D-64 came with the plastic pins, too. I replaced the pins with Tusq pins, and the saddle and nut with bone, but not until many years of ownership. I think it made the sound a little brighter...

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Pike said:
I did replace both the saddle and bridge with bone.
Big difference Chris?

It's been a while, but from what I remember it was a notable improvement.

But now I'm contending with a bridge that needs to be reglued and I don't think that's helping tone. I'm bringing it in this week (I hope) and I'm optomistic that once the bridge is properly adhered to the top, my baby will once again sing to her true potential.

-Chris
 

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john_kidder said:
replace with ebony pins, got (marginally) better sustain

Sorry, PIke, I forgot to mention a new bone saddle and nut as well. The pins came later, and did (I think) make a difference even with the bone saddle and nut.
 

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Ack, shop's closed today... tomorrow then. Can't wait to hear this guitar w/bone and set up properly.
 

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Hey Pike - yes, I would say it was a good thing. The D-64 is has always been a cannon - the new pins, etc. seemed to make a slight difference in the solo notes in particular. But not so much that it was a "drastic" change. The "brightness" is my opinion, no way to really know, it may just be the guitar sound improving as it has aged. I'm not skilled enough to really say for sure...

This makes me wonder - how would you actually tell besides your own ears? Are there tools/instruments/meters that will measure the tone, etc. so you could technically tell if the sound has changed from a new nut, saddle, or pins?

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