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Well guys, it came today and I just can't put it down...! This is my first real Guild and my first vintage guitar and it is blowing me away I can't believe what Ive been missing.

First thing I noticed is how HEAVY it is, I absolutely love it. Feels so solid, built like a tank, feels so good sitting there playing it! Projects and strums so beautifully. I did not expect this guitar to sound so good fingerpicked too, really punchy and resonant. The saddle is really low and although the action is perfect playing wise there's just a little bit of buzz fuzzing in the overtones when I strum harder and the high E on the 10th fret is really noticeably buzzing so Ill take it to the luthier on monday probably and get that checked out and replace the nut and saddle with bone (looks like tusq now?). I don't know much about luthiery but can they file the fret or something and fix the buzz on just one fret/one string? Or does something like this entail raising the whole action to get it off that fret or a whole refret job? Not sure, seems like a whole refret would be too much to fix just one note and raising all the action a bit much too? Don't get me wrong the action is lower than what most luthiers would ever recommend so getting it up just a bit would probably solve the problem but I jus tdont want to sacrifice action on all the other strings once they're sounding fine just to get the buzz out of that one note (it's not THAT bad but if Im doing a run and hit that 10th fret on the E it doesn't ring crystal clear and buzzes pretty hard if Im really diggin' into it).

But overall I couldn't be more happy, Ive never laid hands on such a beautiful sounding guitar (maybe with the exception of one or two high end models at the store that happened to be set up right?).

I wanted to believe that the loyalty here on the board was more placebo and somewhat of a 'religious community' sort of phenomenon that brought every D-25'er together but if the others out there sound anything like what's sitting here with me now, they're definitely something to rave about! I will record something in the next couple of days and share it here.
 

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I think alot of the great sound from those older D-25's comes from the Brazilian rosewood bridges most of them had - my '79 has one -i know they stopped putting BR and used EIR rosewood around that time ( guess i got lucky) my 71 D-55 also has a BR bridge . they way over built those guitars which by most standards would of killed the sound -but Guild knew how to build them -Their battle axes (on the heavy side ) I also want to add that the spruce top on my D-25CH is a very good quality piece of spruce -which would be on a top end guitar of today -they didnt skimp on the materials -The prices these things are going for is remarkable -mine cost me about 200 ( with hard shell case ), bone blank was like 5 bucks , about 30-35 bucks for the Gotohs and less than 10 bucks for the new ebony pins ( hate plastic bridge pins and end pins )By the way those Gotohs make a big difference on that guitar -give it a big step up , besides being more precise and holding better, i think the increased Mass on the top of the neck gives the guitar a better sound.

I also should add the 80-20's, I put on her suit her better than PB's .
 

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Ankaret said:
Well guys, it came today and I just can't put it down...! This is my first real Guild and my first vintage guitar and it is blowing me away I can't believe what Ive been missing.

First thing I noticed is how HEAVY it is, I absolutely love it. Feels so solid, built like a tank, feels so good sitting there playing it! Projects and strums so beautifully. I did not expect this guitar to sound so good fingerpicked too, really punchy and resonant. The saddle is really low and although the action is perfect playing wise there's just a little bit of buzz fuzzing in the overtones when I strum harder and the high E on the 10th fret is really noticeably buzzing so Ill take it to the luthier on monday probably and get that checked out and replace the nut and saddle with bone (looks like tusq now?). I don't know much about luthiery but can they file the fret or something and fix the buzz on just one fret/one string? Or does something like this entail raising the whole action to get it off that fret or a whole refret job? Not sure, seems like a whole refret would be too much to fix just one note and raising all the action a bit much too? Don't get me wrong the action is lower than what most luthiers would ever recommend so getting it up just a bit would probably solve the problem but I jus tdont want to sacrifice action on all the other strings once they're sounding fine just to get the buzz out of that one note (it's not THAT bad but if Im doing a run and hit that 10th fret on the E it doesn't ring crystal clear and buzzes pretty hard if Im really diggin' into it).

But overall I couldn't be more happy, Ive never laid hands on such a beautiful sounding guitar (maybe with the exception of one or two high end models at the store that happened to be set up right?).

I wanted to believe that the loyalty here on the board was more placebo and somewhat of a 'religious community' sort of phenomenon that brought every D-25'er together but if the others out there sound anything like what's sitting here with me now, they're definitely something to rave about! I will record something in the next couple of days and share it here.

Im guessing without seeing your guitar -it might be as simple as a neck adjustment and raising and making a new bone saddle -personnaly I like Camel bone best ( over cow ), but some do like tusq.
 

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I guess I can come in on this, as I'm the original owner of a 73 all-hog archback D25 and recently acquired an 83 all-hog archback D15-12. The D25 is really loud, sounds amazing, and is original except for the Grovers. I really should get good bridge pins, nut and end pin, but it's almost scary to think about touching it. I've never even adjusted the truss rod. The action's a bit high and most people don't like it because of that, but NOTHING sounds like that when you hit it, and the action lets me do that. It's a huge, warm, clangy roar, thick and fat. I had a trade offer from a guy who had a beautiful D44; no thanks, mine's better. I recently changed the strings and was surprised how grooved the first few frets are on the high strings! Don't feel it when I play, maybe I'm just heavy-handed. The D25 is heavier than the 12-string, and louder, but the strings are a lot lower and lighter on the 12-string, so you can't really compare them. The finish on the top of the 73 is gorgeous, cherry-gold and stripey mahogany and the whole thing is glossy. The 12-string has the dull finish and is clearly mahogany but quite muddy-looking. The chesterfield and logo are classy, though, compared to the utilitarian paint on the D25.
 

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Congrats, Ank - sounds like a little tweaking will put it right where you want it.

Bek, you have 2 guitars I would love to play :D
 

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Well, she's at the luthier's getting a partial fret leveling (about 8th fret on) and getting the neck straightened a bit and cleaned/new strings, possibly a bone saddle/nut. The luthier told me the benefits of replacing these with bone but also made the good point of "don't fix what ain't broke" and said if he gets it setup nice and it sounds perfect to my ears with the original micarta nut/saddle then why replace them? Then there's always the "grass is greener on the other side" dilemma, and could any guitar reach a point at which it couldn't possibly sound better? :wink:

What do you guys/gals(?) think?
 

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Ankaret said:
Well, she's at the luthier's getting a partial fret leveling (about 8th fret on) and getting the neck straightened a bit and cleaned/new strings, possibly a bone saddle/nut. The luthier told me the benefits of replacing these with bone but also made the good point of "don't fix what ain't broke" and said if he gets it setup nice and it sounds perfect to my ears with the original micarta nut/saddle then why replace them? Then there's always the "grass is greener on the other side" dilemma, and could any guitar reach a point at which it couldn't possibly sound better? :wink:

What do you guys/gals(?) think?

Had my D35 nut and saddle replaced with bone (and the bridge pins) and it sounds even better than it did originally :D
 

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JerryR said:
Ankaret said:
Well, she's at the luthier's getting a partial fret leveling (about 8th fret on) and getting the neck straightened a bit and cleaned/new strings, possibly a bone saddle/nut. The luthier told me the benefits of replacing these with bone but also made the good point of "don't fix what ain't broke" and said if he gets it setup nice and it sounds perfect to my ears with the original micarta nut/saddle then why replace them? Then there's always the "grass is greener on the other side" dilemma, and could any guitar reach a point at which it couldn't possibly sound better? :wink:

What do you guys/gals(?) think?

Had my D35 nut and saddle replaced with bone (and the bridge pins) and it sounds even better than it did originally :D


Gotta agree with, Jerry. Worthy/inexpensive upgrades in most cases. But, if your luthier gives it back to you before that is done, play the heck out of it & see if it works for you as is. I tend to agree with "if it ain't broke don't fix it" assessment.
 

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leveling frets isnt that exspensive as a whole , as long as your tech domes them a bit -to keep your notes on the money - a light dressing might even be better and give your a little more life. ( try that approach first ) frets can show wear and still work fine -i like the " if it aint broke dont fix it attitude "
 
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Yep got the frets dressed during the "works" setup. Made a world of difference, particularly with barreing for me, and I think the guitar sounded more articulate and precise. I'm having the saddle and nut and pins replaced with bone next week...will report. But hey, don't you love your D25?
 

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chicagowineguy said:
Yep got the frets dressed during the "works" setup. Made a world of difference, particularly with barreing for me, and I think the guitar sounded more articulate and precise. I'm having the saddle and nut and pins replaced with bone next week...will report. But hey, don't you love your D25?


Its hard not to love a D-25 - the best bang for a buck guitar ever made
 

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Luthier fell behind on his work and so I must go a week without my new D-25 :(
 

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chicagowineguy said:
Yep got the frets dressed during the "works" setup. Made a world of difference, particularly with barreing for me, and I think the guitar sounded more articulate and precise. I'm having the saddle and nut and pins replaced with bone next week...will report. But hey, don't you love your D25?
And me thinking of selling mine !
 

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Was at the local guitar center today and they had a pretty beat up "Bluegrass" D25 arch back in cherry. It sounded nice but the saddle was freaking leaning and in it's slot and it really had some serious dings all over the place looked like a large dog had chewed it and they were asking $1150.00 for it. The guy quickly added "...it's a vintage piece" and looked at me like I didn't know what I was doing swiftly putting it back without even asking whether I was seriously interested or not (I wasn't), what an *&%! Felt good walking out of there knowing I also got a "vintage piece" for half the price and in comparatively mint condition... 8)
 

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they were asking $1150.00 for it. The guy quickly added "...it's a vintage piece"
Might have been a good buy for a bit less than half that(half if the saddle didn't need attention!). :shock:
 
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they were asking $1150.00 for it. The guy quickly added "...it's a vintage piece"

Might have been a good buy for a bit less than half that(half if the saddle didn't need attention!). :shock:

That's an ambitious price! Good luck, fellows!
 
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