Buying Guitars on E-Bay

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capnjuan said:
Hi Mark; maybe you were beaten out by a sniper

Huh . . . I guess my naivete is showing, I wasn't aware of those sniping services.

Thanks for the info, cap'n . . . makes me more inclined to simply buy from a real retailer in the future.

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Clueless in Massachusetts
 

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geoguy said:
capnjuan said:
Hi Mark; maybe you were beaten out by a sniper
... I wasn't aware of those sniping services.
Hi Mark; this is a link to the sniper I use: https://www.ezsniper.com/ They usually offer a few free snipes to get you convinced you can win auctions with them. Thereafter and if you win, they get 1% of the purchase price. Without opening the can of ethical worms, the fact is that they deliver bids as close as is technically possible to the close of the auction ... something that you, as a real-time, incremental bidder sitting at your PC can't reasonably hope to do .... let me say that a different way; you can hope to win ... but an expectation of winning isn't reasonable.

It still isn't clear whether sniped bids can outpace eBay's proxy system or not. There have been times when I've considered bidding against myself; through my wife's eBay account on a proxy / give-eBay-my-big-number basis and through my sniper account just so I can see how the bids time stamp in. Finally and for what it's worth, if I had the option of walking into a brick and mortar store and buying things I want within a reasonable radius of where I live, I'd do so. Messing with eBay isn't a form of entertainment for me, it's a matter of overcoming time, distance, and available local inventory. John
 

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capnjuan said:
It still isn't clear whether sniped bids can outpace eBay's proxy system or not.

I'm a math geek so I have been reading the technical papers cited on the other thread. I'm convinced, although much of the data behind their conclusions is several years old. Basically sniping prevents price escalation due to bidding wars. Thus a sniper can sometimes get something for less than a non-proxy bidder's maximum amount. Sniping also keeps other bidders from knowing an "expert" is interested in the auction which also keeps prices lower.
 

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I use e-snipe

Costs are:
Winning Bid...............................Your Cost
Auction wins for under $25.............$0.25
Auction wins between $25-$1,000.....1% of auction price
Auction wins for $1,000 and over......$10.00
 

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bvuille said:
Thanks so much for all your advice- this is a great forum. Several members suggested putting potential e-bay auctions up here for feedback before bidding. Here's a couple I'm considering:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=290307115366

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260383292716



Does anyone have any thoughts on these two auctions? Also, do any of you have any information on the "cabernet" color scheme of the F412? Thanks, and have a great weekend!

-Brian



Both of those look like fine guitars to me. The quality of Tacoma made Guilds is consistently pretty stellar. I think the cabernet finish was just an alternative to the flamed maple look.
 

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bvuille said:
Hi Brian ... well ... there's sure nothing wrong with your taste in guitars 8) The 'wine' finish may be there because that particular piece of maple didn't have strong grain or cosmetic interest. I'm sure that some here might say that highly figured wood produces better tone ... :wink:

Current eBay 'BIN/BO' theory is to figure out / already know what the guitar is worth and then put the BIN somewhat above where a spirited auction might finish ... that is, these BINs are a little high but that's the state of eBay affairs these days. If you are strongly considering one of these, then at least try to get some assurance that you'll get your money's worth. For example, on Wine-Boy, ask for close-up pics of;

The bridge indicating string break angle and remaining bridge height,
The joint between the body and neck,
The deck taken at a low enough angle to disclose any bulge or belly, and
The back of the headstock light enough to read the serial # clearly.

You might also ask for the gap between the strings and 12th fret when the guitar is tuned to concert pitch. A willing seller who's prepared to justify his price ought to politely and promptly reply; if they don't then they're thinking of you as another woe-begone sucker with bad GAS. If they want a premium, see if you can make them earn it. Good luck ... a couple of fine-looking Guild 12ers there! John
 

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Interesting- I had never seen the snipe sites mentioned above. I have bought and sold 43 instruments on ebay under the same name as here and everywhere else and it is interesting to me to see how the sniping has affected buying and selling. It used to be that when selling you would see the price slowly climb day after day, then a small rush at the end bumping the price perhaps another 15% when the final bid came in.
Ebay used to send emails encouraging me to drop the price if I had a listing with little or no action. Nowadays - ok I haven't sold anything in the last year- things sit with 2-3 low bids on them for a week, then get the sniping flurry at the end, so you never know how things are going to go until after it's over. The sniping flurry will often double the price. I sold a Rigel mandolin that was sitting at $1800 for a week- ended at $4400 and all of the increase was in the last 30 seconds.
I often put in a low bid on instruments just to put them in "my ebay" file to track them.
If an item really interests me a lot I'll do a search- looking for completed items only- that is just like what I want. That way I can find recent selling prices and get a very good idea of what to bid if I want the item.
Then I make one bid, my maximum that I am willing to pay, and forget about it. Sometimes I win, often I lose- but if I lose, I lose to someone who is paying more than I want to so I don't feel bad. If you are bidding on a fairly common Guild model they are always there, usually 4-5 a week so give yourself a few months to find the right one and let a few of'em go.

I have bid $1250 on an instrument going for $200 when I made my bid. I knew it was going to go somewhere around what I bid and I just don't want to get caught up in auction fever. Late sniping drove the bidding furiously up to $1100 when my bid prevailed and I got a good deal.
Snipe away, it means nothing to me.
 

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Thanks again for the advice. Which is a better deal- a cabernet F412 with a few scuff marks for $1399 or a new store display model F412 blonde for $1800 or so? Is the cabernet a more premium finish, or did these sell for less because the wood was supposedly not as nice?
 

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jp said:
capnjuan said:
One thing I forgot to mention after reading shepke's reply. . . I always ask the seller if they know how to pack a guitar, always send them links to sites about how to properly pack a guitar, and always offer suggestions on how I think they should pack a guitar!

+1 to this. I have only one eBay purchase. A Guild. I got a great price. The seller was knowledgable and responsive. HOWEVER, the guitar was not properly packed (no paper wads/rags around the neck). A spare set of bridge pins was loose in the case compartment. They slipped out and dinged the top badly (see left). Fortunately we settled and I got a hefty reimbursement (from Fed Ex, who the seller convinced must have really banged the box around...which they must have to have that much pressure pressing down on an arch top case). Nonetheless, the dings irritated the heck out of me. Turns out that the guitar was also dry (top sunken in). The seller was great through the whole ordeal, which took months to resolve. If he hadn't been, it would have been a nightmare. I ended up trading that git in on a new D-50.

So yes...advice is lots of questions, lots of photos and confirmation of shipping methods. Try to get the seller to agree to a one week return period also. Ask yourself "If I don't end up liking this guitar, how much can I get for it and how much is the hassle worth?"

Good luck.
 
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