Brazilian or not?

[Uke]

Uke, just to be clear, there's no real understanding of what the Japanese folks meant by "Jacaranda." It *could* be Brazilian, but likely not. As far as I know, "Jacaranda" was their top-of-the-line rosewood(-esque) wood.

Yes. As Frono suggested, the best determination would probably involve DNA testing. But, life's to short for that. I've come to think that "Jacaranda" just means "wood." Bottom line, it's a very nice guitar from a very good friend of 40 years.

 

[beecee]

Glad I'm a maple and mahogany fan.........

 

[West R Lee]

I do know that Jacaranda trees are beautiful.


West

 

[GGJaguar]

I do know that Jacaranda trees are beautiful.

Wow, that looks like something out of a Dr. Seuss book!

 

[Rocky]

I think I saw that street when I was in college.

 

[mavuser]

thanks, still hard to say. anything is possible. is a beautiful back, whtever it is.

 

[SFIV1967]

there's no real understanding of what the Japanese folks meant by "Jacaranda." It *could* be Brazilian, but likely not. As far as I know, "Jacaranda" was their top-of-the-line rosewood(-esque) wood.

Well, yes and no....

Dalbergia nigra (="Brazilian Rosewood") in Português is "Jacarandá-da-baía" !!!
"Jacarandá" comes from the Tupi language term yakãrã'tã.
The "-da-baía" is a reference to its significant presence in the Brazilian state of Bahia.

Jacarandá-da-bahia – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre

pt.wikipedia.org

Jacarandá-da-bahia – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre

pt-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog

Now back to Japan:

ブラジリアン・ローズウッド - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

ブラジリアン・ローズウッド - Wikipedia

ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog

So in Japan the term "Jacaranda" should refer to "Brazilian Rosewood"...

We might need more first hand input from @Seiki Yoshida here!

Quote from the cites list under "Dalbergia Nigra":
"EnglishNames:
Bahia Rosewood, Brazilian rosewood, Jacaranda, Pianowood, Rio Rosewood, Rosewood"
"SpanishNames:
Jacaranda, Jacarandá de Bahía, Jacarandá de Brasil, Palisandro de Brasil, Palisandro del Brasil"

Ralf

 

[Uke]

I think I saw that street when I was in college.

I think it's right next to Strawberry Fields.

 

[RBSinTo]

I suppose if all else fails, run your hand across the surface, and if it is perfectly smooth, without even a hint of stubble, its likely a Brazilian.
RBSinTo

 

[Uke]

Well, yes and no....

Dalbergia nigra (="Brazilian Rosewood") in Português is "Jacarandá-da-baía" !!!
"Jacarandá" comes from the Tupi language term yakãrã'tã.
The "-da-baía" is a reference to its significant presence in the Brazilian state of Bahia.

Jacarandá-da-bahia – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre

pt.wikipedia.org

Jacarandá-da-bahia – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre

pt-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog

Now back to Japan:

ブラジリアン・ローズウッド - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

ブラジリアン・ローズウッド - Wikipedia

ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog

So in Japan the term "Jacaranda" should refer to "Brazilian Rosewood"...

We might need more first hand input from @Seiki Yoshida here!

Quote from the cites list under "Dalbergia Nigra":
"EnglishNames:
Bahia Rosewood, Brazilian rosewood, Jacaranda, Pianowood, Rio Rosewood, Rosewood"
"SpanishNames:
Jacaranda, Jacarandá de Bahía, Jacarandá de Brasil, Palisandro de Brasil, Palisandro del Brasil"

Ralf

Wow! Thanks for this info.

 

[Seiki Yoshida]

Well, yes and no....

Dalbergia nigra (="Brazilian Rosewood") in Português is "Jacarandá-da-baía" !!!
"Jacarandá" comes from the Tupi language term yakãrã'tã.
The "-da-baía" is a reference to its significant presence in the Brazilian state of Bahia.

Jacarandá-da-bahia – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre

pt.wikipedia.org

Jacarandá-da-bahia – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre

pt-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog

Now back to Japan:

ブラジリアン・ローズウッド - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

ブラジリアン・ローズウッド - Wikipedia

ja-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog

So in Japan the term "Jacaranda" should refer to "Brazilian Rosewood"...

We might need more first hand input from @Seiki Yoshida here!

Quote from the cites list under "Dalbergia Nigra":
"EnglishNames:
Bahia Rosewood, Brazilian rosewood, Jacaranda, Pianowood, Rio Rosewood, Rosewood"
"SpanishNames:
Jacaranda, Jacarandá de Bahía, Jacarandá de Brasil, Palisandro de Brasil, Palisandro del Brasil"

Ralf

hi Ralf san

good morning in japan

yees u r right.
when we talk about brazilian rosewood, we usually say Jacaranda (pronounced as hakaranda)

 

[Seiki Yoshida]

but some say Jacaranda is not brazilian rosewood academically.

 

[chazmo]

Hi Seiki and Ralf!

I have never found anyone who would say for certain that when Japanese luthiers talk about Jacaranda they are referring to Brazilian rosewood (dalbergia nigra, that is). Your sources are good, Ralf, but it's just not 100% clear. In all cases, what I've seen of "jacaranda" looks like a rosewood variant, that's for sure! But, nothing like the wood that comes from the trees that Jim was showing earlier... But, again, that's not proof in anyway.

 

[SFIV1967]

But, nothing like the wood that comes from the trees that Jim was showing earlier...

And I don't even think the wood of "Jacaranda mimosifolia" (the tree with the purple/blue flowers which has nothing to do with Dalbergia) would be usable as tone wood for guitars.

Ralf

 

[Uke]

I just found a 1995 yamaha catalogue page online and my guitar's back and sides are "selected solid rosewood". There you have it -- "it"
could be anything.

 

[Seiki Yoshida]

ブラジリアン・ローズウッド - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

************* that japanese wikipedia says : (i used google translation for this wikipedia coz so difficult academic words there )*********

Brazilian rosewood (scientific name: Dalbergia nigra, also known as Jacaranda) is a plant of the genus Dalbergia. One of rosewood. These woods are valued for furniture, musical instruments, etc. in North America and other countries.

The standard name in Brazil, the country of origin, is ``jacarandá-da-bahía (with an accent on dá),'' but it is also simply called ``Jacarandá.'' ” is sometimes called. It should be noted that the name Jacaranda (Japanese ``jacaranda'') refers to a completely different lineage of trees (Lamiaceae Bignoniaceae) known as roadside trees with purple flowers all over the world, so be careful. .

Artificially at the Sao Paulo Botanical Garden "Jardim Botânico de São Paulo" in Sao Paulo City and the Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden "Jardim Botânico do Rio de Janeiro" in Rio de Janeiro City You can see large trees protected by vegetation. In addition, around September to October (corresponding to early summer in Brazil), white flowers with fragrance and mature seeds (fruits) bearing fruit in the previous year can be seen, but there are few leaves.
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so, many japanese and brazilian call braz rosewood 'Jacaranda' but actually not in world wide.

ummm,
there r many types of 'rosewood-ish' material like cocoboro, madagascar rosewood, honduras rosewood, african blackwood....
annoying but interesting.

i just want to thank for the nature and want to play the guitars

 

[Uke]

annoying but interesting.

 

[merlin6666]

Uke, just to be clear, there's no real understanding of what the Japanese folks meant by "Jacaranda." It *could* be Brazilian, but likely not. As far as I know, "Jacaranda" was their top-of-the-line rosewood(-esque) wood.

Yes, I think Jacaranda is generic for any South American sourced rosewood. I have a 70s Japanese built guitar (Suzuki 3S) with Jacaranda body and while it still has a strong and nice scent even after more than 40 years, it's not like roses.

 

[bobouz]

Yes, I think Jacaranda is generic for any South American sourced rosewood. I have a 70s Japanese built guitar (Suzuki 3S) with Jacaranda body and while it still has a strong and nice scent even after more than 40 years, it's not like roses.

Lovely! I used to pick up quite a few of the Japanese maker’s catalogs in the ‘70s, and saw lots of similarly beautiful photos. Pretty neat that you’ve got one in-hand!

 

[Uke]

Yes, I think Jacaranda is generic for any South American sourced rosewood. I have a 70s Japanese built guitar (Suzuki 3S) with Jacaranda body and while it still has a strong and nice scent even after more than 40 years, it's not like roses.

Ran across an new term this morning: "CSA Rosewood". I think this refers to "Central and South American" Rosewood, (as opposed to "Brazilian" Rosewood, I suppose.