Any dealers in the north east with actual stock?

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I'd like to try out some new Aristocrats, but none of the "authorized Guild dealers" within 100 miles of me actually stock any Guilds. I would really like to walk into a store and see a selection of Aristocrats hanging on the wall for me to play.

There must be someplace in or near NYC. I get out that way from time to time.
 

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I'd like to try out some new Aristocrats, but none of the "authorized Guild dealers" within 100 miles of me actually stock any Guilds. I would really like to walk into a store and see a selection of Aristocrats hanging on the wall for me to play.

There must be someplace in or near NYC. I get out that way from time to time.

To veer, perhaps you might list the specific dealers that are listed as authorized but don't actually stock any Guilds? I am sure that CMG would appreciate the opportunity to update their website. There might be some lingering confusion from the FMIC days when FMIC restructured what it meant to be an authorized Guild dealer and a dealer could pick and choose whether they stocked Guilds from China, Mexico, Korea or USA in any combination of product lines. So there were authorized dealers then that only offered the Newark Street Collection models and actually could not stock or sell New Hartford acoustics.

I'd also be interested in clarification of "actually stock Guilds". There is a difference between having not having something in stock today and not having it in stock and no intention of/ability to order it. My sense is that, since they were introduced, the Newark Street line was scarce in stores during the months immediately after NAMM. In other areas I have noticed a trend where a brick and mortar shop is an authorized dealer but they face heavy competition from online retailers. So they do not tie up capital in inventory, but will order something for you if you ask and encourage you with a liberal "return" policy.

It may take a few decades but I think the days of being able to walk in a store, say "just looking" and get hands on experience with a durable consumer good that is available to be shipped from many retailers will soon be over.
 

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Thanks griehund. They have two in stock now, maybe more ifnwhen I get there.

Frono, I live in central NY state. The Guild website shows several authorized Guild dealers within 100 miles, but The House of Guitars is the only one that has any Guild guitars in stock. The others have none in their showroom and don't seem interested in getting any. They can and will order them, but I can order from Musicians Friend and save money by avoiding sales tax.

We all know that each instrument has a unique personality. With Fenders and Gibsons you can walk into any Guitar Center and try a half dozen different examples of the same model. If one of them clicks you buy it, otherwise move on. That's just not possible with Guilds, at least not in my area. You take your chances. If you get a dud then it either sits in the case unplayed or you go to the trouble of selling and finding another.
 

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We all know that each instrument has a unique personality. With Fenders and Gibsons you can walk into any Guitar Center and try a half dozen different examples of the same model. If one of them clicks you buy it, otherwise move on. That's just not possible with Guilds, at least not in my area. You take your chances.
It hasn't been possible for about 8 years at least, now.
When New Hartford was just starting to ship product they specifically mentioned they weren't out to compete in the price-slashing mudbath of big box stores and they couldn't produce enough to satisfy Guitar Center's minimum requirements in any case.
They explicitly said they were looking to sign up real traditional brick and mortar stores where the instruments would be presented and sold by people who were serious about music and not just retail clerks.
They needed to be sold that way because they were trying to elevate the brand to a niche between high-end Taylors/Martins/Gibsons and "real" boutique makers.
So yes it made convenient A/B-ing very difficult but at least you understand what the reasoning was and that Guild was never able to compete at the volume levels of "the big boys".
If you get a dud then it either sits in the case unplayed or you go to the trouble of selling and finding another.
Personally I think the counterpoint to the small volume problem is extremely low percentage of "duds" especially for brand new guitars.
I've read enough posts over the years that say just that and even a few from folks who've changed their minds and decided Guild is the one brand they wouldn't worry about ordering untested anymore.
But, regarding Oxnard, I'm back with the folks who are "waiting to see".
Ren's presence is extremely encouraging though.
EDIT: I was guilty of not re-reading your entire post and what I said doesn't apply to NS guitars, Frono's observations about stocking economics and "franchise fragmentation" are more relevant there.
And I'm completely in the dark about CMG's relationship with the N.S. maker in Korea, that may be playing a part at the current time.
Don't know if that relationship's still viable or maybe it was interrupted and re-negotiated which by itself could cause several months of short supply.
Anybody know?
Another possiblity is the "online guys" place their orders way ahead of time and/or they're large enough to ensure they maintain their priority in the face of $$ temptations to show favoritism to other younger orders, that does happen.
It may take a few decades but I think the days of being able to walk in a store, say "just looking" and get hands on experience with a durable consumer good that is available to be shipped from many retailers will soon be over.
Durable consumer goods.
Demos.
The next time I'm in the market for a washing machine I'll take load of laundry around to and tell 'em if they wanna sell me a machine they better give me a test drive.
In fact, I may just start doing my laundry that way and save a bundle.
 
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The next time I'm in the market for a washing machine I'll take load of laundry around to and tell 'em if they wanna sell me a machine they better give me a test drive.
In fact, I may just start doing my laundry that way and save a bundle.

When all guitars are machine made from synthetic materials then that will be a good analogy. Maybe it's close enough now with laminates and CNC'ed solid parts, etc. I don't know. It could be the NS line is tremendously consistent; there's no way for me to know until I get to try out a bunch of same-model instruments side by side, though I suppose I'd believe it if enough reputable voices told me it was true.

I don't need to try each set of strings before I pay for them; I buy in bulk online knowing that what I'll get is what I got last time.

I any case, I have no problem with Guild not being represented at big box stores. I hope I didn't give the impression that I want that. But, I do hope that CMG reduces the number of so-called authorized dealers and then makes sure that the ones that do exist properly represent the brand and keep a good selection in stock and on display. Most of the small to medium sized music stores are limiting themselves to one or two brands out of necessity. If only one in thirty represent Guild, that's OK with me, but they need to REALLY represent the brand. Only CMG can enforce that, and perhaps severely limiting the number of authorized dealers is the best and easiest way to do it.
 

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Thanks griehund. They have two in stock now, maybe more ifnwhen I get there.

Frono, I live in central NY state. The Guild website shows several authorized Guild dealers within 100 miles, but The House of Guitars is the only one that has any Guild guitars in stock. The others have none in their showroom and don't seem interested in getting any. They can and will order them, but I can order from Musicians Friend and save money by avoiding sales tax.

We all know that each instrument has a unique personality. With Fenders and Gibsons you can walk into any Guitar Center and try a half dozen different examples of the same model. If one of them clicks you buy it, otherwise move on. That's just not possible with Guilds, at least not in my area. You take your chances. If you get a dud then it either sits in the case unplayed or you go to the trouble of selling and finding another.

Well I just entered my old stomping grounds of 12302 and 500 miles looking for Guild dealers and there was nothing West of the Hudson/I-87 line, including House of Guitars. So I have to say there is something seriously hosed about searching for dealers. Could be operator error on one or both of our parts or it could be the website or the underlying database.

I think making the comparison to Fenders and Gibsons in GC is somewhat unfair, if only because there is at least an order of magnitude in production volumes.

The 2014 NAMM report here tells me that there were about 2.5 million electric and acoustic guitars sold. Westerly, at its peak produced about 25,000 instruments a year. So I am quite comfortable accepting the fact that Guild dealers are going to be "rare" and dealers that stock more than one of a particular model are even rarer. But my opinion shouldn't stop anyone from hoping and looking :)
 

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When all guitars are machine made from synthetic materials then that will be a good analogy. Maybe it's close enough now with laminates and CNC'ed solid parts, etc. I don't know. It could be the NS line is tremendously consistent; there's no way for me to know until I get to try out a bunch of same-model instruments side by side, though I suppose I'd believe it if enough reputable voices told me it was true.
Nah, strictly one of those unbidden wry insights I'm afflicted with.
Purely meant for laughs, I just get tired of posting emoticon all the time..
I don't actually consider guitars to be "durable consumer goods" in any case and we've already seen lots of feedback here about inconsistent quality and initial owner dissapointment about NS's, compared to US-built acoustics, at least.
The pickup winding thing comes to mind, for one.
I any case, I have no problem with Guild not being represented at big box stores. I hope I didn't give the impression that I want that.
Nah, I just wasn't sure if you were aware of how it got that way. Sometimes it just helps to know.
 
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They were stocking Guild electrics a few years ago at Alto, but have since stopped for some reason. I think most of them sat there unsold for a longer period of time than they wished. When I recently asked why they didn't have them, the response I got was, lack of interest.
 

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This is depressing. I ended up buying an Aristocrat online. Should arrive Monday, and unless it's obviously damaged I'll probably be stuck with it. I would happily spend a day and a $ premium to be able to try out several and pick the one I liked.

Seems like Musicians Friend is the only one that stocks quantity, but I doubt they'd let me go into their warehouse and open all the boxes. :unsure:
 
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