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I watched much of last night's show, then got kinda fed up with the high brow approach to this annual event. Typical stars playing to their loving peers; dressed to the hilt; Martins, Gibsons & Taylors on parade. I kept waiting for someone to play a country song. Best moment in the show IMO was the Zac Brown Band with James Taylor, but even then James was delegated to an acoustic backup role. May as well have been hollywood glamourites prancing about seeking oscars/grammys.

Give me a guy with tip jar, blue jeans & t-shirt sitting in the restaurant corner picking on an ole acoustic. I'll pay to watch that.

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel this way?
 

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Scratch said:
I watched much of last night's show, then got kinda fed up with the high brow approach to this annual event. Typical stars playing to their loving peers; dressed to the hilt; Martins, Gibsons & Taylors on parade. I kept waiting for someone to play a country song. Best moment in the show IMO was the Zac Brown Band with James Taylor, but even then James was delegated to an acoustic backup role. May as well have been hollywood glamourites prancing about seeking oscars/grammys.

Give me a guy with tip jar, blue jeans & t-shirt sitting in the restaurant corner picking on an ole acoustic. I'll pay to watch that.

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel this way?

I've heard it called "Bubble Gum Country Music", and it's an apt description. No wonder so many artists bailed on Nashville and moved to Austin.
 

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Could you imagine Willy Nelson or Neil Young there? :shock:

The Austin sound is my preference, for sure. Lots of leanings to 'Americana' music here...

Willy plays down the road at Whitewater Ampitheater on May 7: http://www.whitewaterrocks.com/3.0/#/homepage/

Pam and I are trying to 'score' some tickets :roll: Last year it was all he could do to find the stage, then stay on it...
 

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Awwwwww Scratch. We're just OLD man!!! :shock: Country music association/musicians seems like they've sold out but ya know as well as I do that they just moved on. A lot of things seem to pass us by on a regular basis. Heck, over 45 years of riding motorcycles and I find I can't make repairs to the new bikes.

It's just a thing brother; just a thing.

But yes, I concur completely.

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Scratch said:
Give me a guy with tip jar, blue jeans & t-shirt sitting in the restaurant corner picking on an ole acoustic. I'll pay to watch that.

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel this way?
I'm with you, Ken, and then some.
I don't watch any of those awards shows. They're all the same. Much ado about nothing in particular. :roll:

Joe
 

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Well this is a public forum, so I will censor myself here. I agree Ken. In my opinion, country music died with Woodie Guthrie....well maybe a bit dramatic but it has definitely changed. There was a prominent country group that won a bunch of awards at the last Grammy awards. A trio singing about how they need somebody when they drink too much. Can't stand the song or the group, but that is me. It just seemed artificial. It was like a Nashville songwriter wrote the lyrics, another was contracted to write some music, and the three performers were paid to get on stage and bat their eyelashes.

I have another personal anecdote. I was at the Heart of Texas fair a couple of years ago to see an aging Randy Travis. He had a huge backing band, a rhinestone suit, in addition to his personal fleet of glitzy Gibsons. He held a different guitar for every song, but did not play one once. He just held onto them like a child holding onto their teddy bear. All show. Where are the blood, sweat, and tears? All show and no soul. Yes I am from Austin and I prefer Americana music because it is real.
 

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Well, this one's all about fan voting too. I started my gigging live (I'm a bass player) in the local country music circuit in 1976. We did a lot of Merle, Ray Price, Jones, Hank (the original and best one, not his progeny who get more annoying each generation), etc. I trace the decline of country music to Garth Brooks. Not that Brooks is responsible, but his success was totally responsible. Here's what happened...

In the past Billboard's charts were based ultimately on casual reporting of sales. It was based on people talking to people at stores about what was selling. Some stores did keep accurate records, but many smaller ones were reporting what their impressions of what the top sellers were. The week Billboard switched from self-reporting to using actual point-of-sale receipts reporting the new Metallica record dropped from #1 and the new Garth Brooks album shot from somewhere in the teens (I think) to #1. It got the industry's attention. They followed the dollars and it's lead inexorably to the point that modern country music, at least for the radio and the general public, is really bad '80s pop music with an Oklahoma twang and an out-of-place fiddle or steel guitar tossed into the mix as an afterthought. Witness Jason Aldean as our prime example of this...

Now there's some good stuff, just like any genre- much of it flies below the radar, but some leaks out and influences the upper parts of the charts- I do like Martina McBride and Trisha Yearwood for example, but wouldn't really call either of them "country" in the same sense that Merle Haggard, or even Emmylou Harris is country. And the atrocity of Sugarland (could Jennifer's voice be any MORE annoying?!) lead to the acceptance of Lady Antebellum, so there's an occasional bright spot.

But anything that's hugely successful is successful in large part by appealing to a lower denominator than the more challenging stuff, with few exceptions. Did the Beach Boys ever win a Grammy for their great music? No, only for "Kokomo", because NARAS was ashamed they'd never given a Grammy to them. It was a consolation prize rewarding one of their worst records in atonement for not rewarding them for the huge contributions they'd really made.

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jte said:
Did the Beach Boys ever win a Grammy for their great music? No, only for "Kokomo", because NARAS was ashamed they'd never given a Grammy to them. It was a consolation prize rewarding one of their worst records in atonement for not rewarding them for the huge contributions they'd really made.

John

Good rant, John!

It reminds me of when the Grammys unloaded on Bonnie Raitt for "Nick of Time". I wouldn't call it one of her worst records (like "Kokomo"), but it was certainly far from her best. Come to think of it, there was something similar with Carlos Santana's "Supernatural" as well. :roll:
 

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I'm with you on most counts, Ridge, but I just can't see Woody Guthrie's contribution to American music being considered country music. Folk, yes.

Splitting hairs, perhaps, but just sayin', :wink:
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jte said:
... Did the Beach Boys ever win a Grammy for their great music?
Hi John; they should have given one to the Pendletones for this wardrobe classic: even though it's lip-synched. Not sure there's anything earlier.

Didn't watch the ACM awards; didn't want to be left flat like Scratch.
 

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I'm with you on most counts, Ridge, but I just can't see Woody Guthrie's contribution to American music being considered country music. Folk, yes.

Splitting hairs, perhaps, but just sayin', :wink:
Joe
I only acknowledge Woody Guthrie because I am of the opinion that country music is rooted in folk music. Kind of a spin off. Both sing about working class hardships and struggles people go through. At least country music used to. I find there to be ties between folk, americana, country music, and the blues. The themes are generally the same. Styles may have changed recently, but back in the good old days I have found there to be much more cross over. Woody will always been known for folk music, and me claiming country music died with him is more of a humorous declaration of my opinion of current country music.
 

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Folks, they aren't trying to appeal to our demographic (excuse me if I incorrectly assume that we don't have as many twenty-somethings and we do fifty-somethings in LTG).

It's what Bikerdoc said! :lol: :lol:

Dave :D
 

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I didn't watch it either.
Isn't there a Country Music Awards show about every 3 months now?
I lost interest in Country Music when it outgrew Western.

There, my age is also showing.
 

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Did i happen to mention that on March 3, I drove up to Milwaukee to see Merle Haggard and Kris Kristofferson. About 40' from the stage. What a night.
 

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TonyT said:
Did i happen to mention that on March 3, I drove up to Milwaukee to see Merle Haggard and Kris Kristofferson. About 40' from the stage. What a night.
That must have been a super show, Tony. Wow!
And you were holding out on us for a month!

Drool, :wink:
Joe
 
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