'69 Starfire IV - Restored!

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I picked up a '69 Starfire IV last year for under $1k, and it had a few issues. Frets were about shot, neck had been refinished solid brown, headstock veneer was peeling off, the wiring had been "redone" with some heavy gauge automotive wire, and the pickguard was missing... So, I contacted the Guild Custom Shop (Thane Shearon there, in particular) - and decided to send my guitar their way to get everything cleaned up. They discovered that the neck had a slight twist, so we decided to add to the list of work a fretboard plane and refret.

I got the guitar back from them several months ago, and they did a spectacular job. I figured that there are some folks here who might appreciate seeing this old guitar come back to life.

This was the photo in the Craigslist ad which led me to her...

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And, here is the peeling and warped headstock veneer:

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I love the finish. A bit of the old "rewire" can be seen in here....

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So, off it went to Guild. My first updates showed the new veneer in place, and the neck having been stripped.

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The neck was then refinished, along w/ the peghead.

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She arrived home a few months later - and just prior to Thane sending it back, he called me to ask if I had a pickguard for it (I didn't, and hadn't even thought to ask if they could make one - I figured I'd have to hunt for a used one). Measurements were taken, and the guitar was sent home, with the promise that a new pickguard would follow a few weeks later.

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The headstock was tinted to match the rest of the guitar. And, those are Pat. Pending Grovers on there - not original, but I liked them on there and decided to leave them.

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And, the neck refinish matched perfectly!

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A few months later - the pickguard and mounting hardware arrived as promised!

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And, here she is with a few siblings - on my award winning ugly couch.

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Anyway, I'm new to the board, and figured this would be an alright way to introduce myself! I hadn't given much thought to Guild prior to finding my Starfire - but, I was so impressed with my old Guild that when I needed to raise some cash, I kept it, and sold my '67 Gibson ES335.

I'm assuming that Thane and the shop there are well known to the guys on this forum - but if not, I cannot say enough good things about the Fender/Guild Repair Center in Nashville. They'll work on any kind of guitar there - not just the home team brands. I think that my '64 Jaguar will make it there eventually (or, the neck will) for a refret. My Starfire feels and plays like a brand new guitar - but still has that vintage tone and mojo that I love.

I've always got my eyes open for another old Guild, but they are pretty tough to find in my part of the country (Western Montana). Also, I'm working on getting ahold of a copy of Hans Moust's book, but it was backordered on Amazon.com for about 4 months before they informed me that they couldn't complete my order. This was earlier in the year. Does anyone know where I can pick up a copy?

Thanks for looking!
 

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Nice work! Was it expensive? I personally would have left that headstock veneer, just re-glued it, but I can't deny the new one looks good.
 

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After taking a look around, I see that Mr. Moust is a regularly posting member here on the forum!

Hans, I look forward to getting my hands on a copy of your book, and figure that I should post my guitar's SN here to see if you know anything about its production! I know that there were only a handful of Starfire IV's made in '69.

SN = EL2245
 

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Walter Broes said:
Nice work! Was it expensive? I personally would have left that headstock veneer, just re-glued it, but I can't deny the new one looks good.

Their prices were very reasonable. I think that the headstock veneer plus refinish on the peghead was $160?

And, that veneer couldn't be saved. It was very badly warped - and it had a failed reglue done at some point. I think that it was exposed to heat earlier in its life - leaning up against an old radiator perhaps? That was likely the reason for the neck only refinish as well. And, thanks!
 

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That is very reasonable!! Those headstock veneers shrink and warp, you see it all the time, no radiator needed!
 

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HI Diceman, Welcome aboard! Nice Axe! I'm an acoustic guy myself but there's a lot of crossover love around here. One of our members, "Twocorgis" (Sandy) will probably be heartened by this review, as he's had his vintage D50 in there for several months now. We've heard Thane's name but don't have much info about quality of work coming from the shop. MoOst of it comes from inquiries about warranty work, so this is welcome news indeed.
Hans' book WAS out of print but he recently advised us it will have a second run and he'll let us know when it's due. He posts regularly and generously contributes his time answering questions for members when nobody else can. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd like to get the serial number of your instrument for his records. He might even already have some history on it. You can send him private messages through the board here, "Hansmoust".
TOO bad about the 335, I like 335's. Couch looks good by the way. Just don't change those decorative guitars. :lol:
 

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Walter Broes said:
That is very reasonable!! Those headstock veneers shrink and warp, you see it all the time, no radiator needed!

I want to say that the "additional" cost to refinish the rest of the neck was only around $100. They deducted the cost of the retouch on the headstock from the cost of the neck refinish... Great guys, really.

Here is another picture I dug up of that veneer. I wish I would have documented its original state a bit better.

At the time, I wasn't even aware that the neck had been refinished. Thane let me know that after it had arrived. (it was done well, and a long time ago - just the wrong color).

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adorshki said:
HI Diceman, Welcome aboard! Nice Axe! I'm an acoustic guy myself but there's a lot of crossover love around here. One of our members, "Twocorgis" (Sandy) will probably be heartened by this review, as he's had his vintage D50 in there for several months now. We've heard Thane's name but don't have much info about quality of work coming from the shop. MoOst of it comes from inquiries about warranty work, so this is welcome news indeed.
Hans' book WAS out of print but he recently advised us it will have a second run and he'll let us know when it's due. He posts regularly and generously contributes his time answering questions for members when nobody else can. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd like to get the serial number of your instrument for his records. He might even already have some history on it. You can send him private messages through the board here, "Hansmoust".
TOO bad about the 335, I like 335's. Couch looks good by the way. Just don't change those decorative guitars. :lol:

Thanks for the welcome!

I had read one complaint about the work in the Guild shop - I can't remember where I saw it... Something about how "after I got my guitar back, the finish started cracking on it!" :| (I'm assuming that this fellow didn't know much about Nitrocellulose finishes!) My experience was that the shop gets backed up from time to time due to warranty demands - and my 2-3 month project turned out to be more like 6. I can't hardly complain, though - I care more about the quality of work done than I do the timeliness. Two of the guitars on the couch there were built by luthier Roman Rist (the Tele and the little brown Les Paul Special). I've found that you can't rush the master! And, that the wait is always worth it.

I went ahead and posted my SN for Mr. Moust. And, I'm looking forward to the 2nd run of his book. I'm glad to hear that it isn't just out of print.

And, the 335... I'll miss that old girl! It was very heavily used - and played/sounded great! That said, I like the Starfire a bit more. The decision between the two was an easy one for me to make.

Here is the 335:

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Well.... Diceman, you got my "crossover lover" belly covered in droolin' with your pics.
From start to finish. Great job by Guild and more than reasonable prices, very impressed I am.
Enjoy them all, or send them to me if you get tired of them. :shock:
Oh and I second Al's statement: The couch is perfectly fine as long as the trophies stay on it. :lol:
 

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Diceman said:
Thanks for the welcome!
I had read one complaint about the work in the Guild shop - I can't remember where I saw it... Something about how "after I got my guitar back, the finish started cracking on it!" :| (I'm assuming that this fellow didn't know much about Nitrocellulose finishes!) My experience was that the shop gets backed up from time to time due to warranty demands - and my 2-3 month project turned out to be more like 6.
And then there's little inconveniences like floods....
Diceman said:
I can't hardly complain, though - I care more about the quality of work done than I do the timeliness. Two of the guitars on the couch there were built by luthier Roman Rist (the Tele and the little brown Les Paul Special). I've found that you can't rush the master! And, that the wait is always worth it.
I suspect everybody here knows that's what it takes to get the best work. No big deal if you got "backup axes". 'Course Sandy might have gotten a little feverish when he started getting his backup axes... :lol: Hey some of this stuff even has to wait for the right weather! :lol:
 

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adorshki said:
... And then there's little inconveniences like floods.... ...
I suspect everybody here knows that's what it takes to get the best work. No big deal if you got "backup axes". 'Course Sandy might have gotten a little feverish when he started getting his backup axes... :lol: Hey some of this stuff even has to wait for the right weather! :lol:

Yeah, I know that Gibson was knocked out by the flood - and didn't hear anything about Guild... hopefully they made it through alright. I got my guitar back in April or so.


bluesypicky said:
Well.... Diceman, you got my "crossover lover" belly covered in droolin' with your pics.
From start to finish. Great job by Guild and more than reasonable prices, very impressed I am.
Enjoy them all, or send them to me if you get tired of them. :shock:
Oh and I second Al's statement: The couch is perfectly fine as long as the trophies stay on it. :lol:


Thanks! That free couch will be the death of me. My wife won't let me get rid of it!
 

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Look closly at the bottom right corner of the picture showing the refinished neck.

The Bible is on the table opened to the section showing the different Guild headstocks. It looks like the Guild shop needed to confirm which style "Chesterfield" was used in 1969.

M

By the way...how did you contact the Guild Custom shop? I thought they were closed down.
 

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By the way...how did you contact the Guild Custom shop? I thought they were closed down.
It's the factory repair shop now. Sandy (Twocorgis) was able to get the info from Fender when he first started trying to get warranty repair authorization for his D50 very early this year.
 

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matsickma said:
Look closly at the bottom right corner of the picture showing the refinished neck.

The Bible is on the table opened to the section showing the different Guild headstocks. It looks like the Guild shop needed to confirm which style "Chesterfield" was used in 1969.

M

By the way...how did you contact the Guild Custom shop? I thought they were closed down.

Good eye!

And, yes, it is the Fender/Guild repair center. They do all of the warranty repair stuff. Thane Shearon runs the shop. I spoke with Bruce Bolen at Fender first - who put me in touch w/ Thane.
 

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Nice Starfire - good for you taking the time, effort and expense to restore it properly. And as far as expense, I must say that seems very reasonable. I bet it sounds great through the Bassman.

Now it's time to start planning for your next Guild. You can't have just one! :D
 

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Jeff Haddad said:
Nice Starfire - good for you taking the time, effort and expense to restore it properly. And as far as expense, I must say that seems very reasonable. I bet it sounds great through the Bassman.

Now it's time to start planning for your next Guild. You can't have just one! :D

Oh, I agree! I don't own a good acoustic - so that might be my next one.

It'll be at least a year until I can afford to do so, though. I'm just about to start my last semester of law school - then I need to land a job, move my family, study for and take the bar exam, find a house, and get my student loans and credit card payments under control... THEN, another Guild!

The Starfire does sound great through the Bassman (which is a fairly recent acquisition) - or any amp for that matter. I don't know that I'll be able to hang on to all of my vintage collection over the next couple of years - but the Starfire will be staying with me, without question!
 

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Hi Diceman and welcome to LTG; yes, it's an ugly couch but a mighty fine guitar!
 

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capnjuan said:
Hi Diceman and welcome to LTG; yes, it's an ugly couch but a mighty fine guitar!

Thanks!

Its uncomfortable, too! (the couch, that is!).
 

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I don't know how close you are to Great Falls or Stanford, but Bing is a helpful and friendly LTG member too.

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Thanks for the link. I'm a couple of hours away from Great Falls (and have no idea where Stanford is!) - but I'll definitely stop by the shop when I'm up that way next.

And, if I were to find an old Guild acoustic for a couple hundred bucks - I'm sure I'd be able to make it happen.
 

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Diceman said:
capnjuan said:
Hi Diceman and welcome to LTG; yes, it's an ugly couch but a mighty fine guitar!
Thanks! Its uncomfortable, too! (the couch, that is!).
I can relate; we have one here just like it ... uncomfortable and it looks bad but it's managed to survive all my threats to replace it. I know .. I know ... I'm a couch wuss. :(

I'm going see if I can find an old thread here; our BB Admin Don rebuilding / refinishing a '60s Starfire ... let me see what I can do.
 
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