WTB 1990s HB1s 4-wire

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I’m looking for a pair of 1990’s 4-conn /4-wire HB1s for a Guild electric I’m looking to purchase. Cosmetic condition is not important. Thanks,
 

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Thanks guys but what I’m looking for is pretty specific. US made 4-wire HB1s from around 1994 according to GAD.

I’d even be interested if they were in another guitar if not too expensive that is not making use of the coil split capability.

May also be interested in some *edited* 90’s 4-wire SD HB1s (original SD1 in HB1 size and cover)
 
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for what? just get a duncan w splittable coil...or you can try the DiMarzio X2N
 

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because the chances of finding what he needs are pretty slim
But the chances finding a set are much higher on this forum than elsewhere...see the discussion about the Orpheum 12 strings from the last few days. Almost impossible to find one but suddently 2 were available.
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just to clarify, i was only asking what guitar Mike had, and to suggest the Dimarzio X2N zebra as a possible alternative, as that is the neck pickup in my Carlo Greco Custom Chief Star, and to me sounds the most like my (hot and wooly, wide open spectrum) HB-1 neck pickup in my 1970 S-100. The X2N zebra is coil splittable, that is what it is highly regarded for, however on my Carlo, it is not split, or at least there is no push/pot or switch that splits them.

Mike also said he would be interested in an "SD-1" which what he means is the 1997-1998 HB-1 with Duncan guts...which is basically a Duncan SH-1 or a "59"...hence the suggestion on a Duncan (splittable) SH/JB...

but Ken Nash has one "SD-1" (97-98 Duncan HB-1) on his website...theguitarmechanic.com

"SD-1" is the wrong name for that pickup. someone meant to write "SH-1" a long, long time ago, and got it wrong...and here we are.

the "Fender-HB-1" (1999 into 2000s) has been reportedly referred to as the "SD-1" in an odd out of context report online...likely because thos pickups are smaller than HB-1s and are the same size as a Duncan "SH-1" which can go into any guitar/Gibson etc, and so the Fender is the SD-1 because it is a drop-in replacement like a Seymour Duncan humbucker (and not like an HB-1...)
 

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No worries guys. I’m looking for pickups for potential purchase and would like to fit it with appropriate Guild-used period pick ups. The backup plan would be down the direction you are thinking Eric, using modern pickups. However, I’d like to stay period true if I can.
 

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Forum member KNash has these available on his website:

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that Duncan HB-1 should have the 4-wire split, i think. not sure about the 59/JB sets (but they have the screw conversion plates)
 

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Thanks for the lead Eric! I’ve reached out to Ken and bookmarked his site. I see that he is CT which is relatively close to me in MA.
 

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Mike also said he would be interested in an "SD-1" which what he means is the 1997-1998 HB-1 with Duncan guts...which is basically a Duncan SH-1 or a "59"...hence the suggestion on a Duncan (splittable) SH/JB...

but Ken Nash has one "SD-1" (97-98 Duncan HB-1) on his website...theguitarmechanic.com

"SD-1" is the wrong name for that pickup. someone meant to write "SH-1" a long, long time ago, and got it wrong...and here we are.

the "Fender-HB-1" (1999 into 2000s) has been reportedly referred to as the "SD-1" in an odd out of context report online...likely because thos pickups are smaller than HB-1s and are the same size as a Duncan "SH-1" which can go into any guitar/Gibson etc, and so the Fender is the SD-1 because it is a drop-in replacement like a Seymour Duncan humbucker (and not like an HB-1...)

A good summary about the two HB-1 look-alike SD Guild pickup versions before and after FMIC bought Guild is in GADs blog post:


The one Ken has (in the b/w picture) is the "real SD-1" (as FMIC/Guild called them) which should look on the bottom like the one GAD shows. It has different sized bobbins than the bobbins used in normal SH-1 pickups. But the winding specs were close to a SH-1 according to SD's Evan Skopp.

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The late 90ies FMIC made HB-1 was based on the FMIC own humbuckers and I don't know if FMIC ever called that version SD-1 in any literature as it sounds reading Evan Skopps comments. (EDIT: See my post #24)

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@Eric: Just curious, what was that "odd out of context report online" that you mentioned?

Ralf
 
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A good summary about the two HB-1 look-alike SD Guild pickup versions before and after FMIC bought Guild is in GADs blog post:


The one Ken has (in the b/w picture) is the "SD-1" which should look on the bottom like the one GAD shows. It has different bobbins than the bobbins used in normal SH-1 pickups. The winding specs were close to SH-1 however according to SD's Evan Skopp.

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The late 90ies FMIC made HB-1 was based on the FMIC own humbuckers and I don't know if FMIC ever called that version SD-1 in any literature as it sounds reading Evan Skopps comments.

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@Eric: Just curious, what was that "odd out of context report online" that you mentioned?

Ralf

the same interview u refer to. read closely. in green i circled the 97-98 HB-1 Duncan references, where it confirms those are basically SH-1's (59s) just the same size as vintage HB-1s... and circled in blue is the 1999+ Fender HB-1 reference, where he calls it the SD-1 "even though Duncan was not making them."

it is out of context because he says "when Seymour Duncan did the SD-1..." but he is referring to it as Fender referred to it, during 1999+, even though he is speaking of the 1997-98 version...

what he DOES NOT say in the interview (another reason it is out of context) is that the *reason Fender called the 1999+ Fender HB-1 the "SD-1" is because it was the same size as a typical "S"eymour "D"uncan/standard pickup (and specifically *not an HB-1 bcause of the size), and could be used in guitar already routed for standard Duncans at the time, like an S-100, or whatever else.

The 97-98 version would be more accurately described as a SHB-1, actually. or just a Duncan HB-1. it sounds most like the 59/SH-1 and not much like a vintage HB-1, to my ears

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