1966 Artist Award - questions

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Hi,
I am not a guitar player so not even sure what would be good questions here so be nice! My wife and I recently acquired a 1966 Artist Award (s/n AA107) about one month ago from an Aunt in New Jersey. I have been trying to do some reseach on the internet and have brought it to a vintage guitar shop but still feel like I haven't gotten a handle on the value of it. The person at the shop said it was in amazing shape for it's age. This has been altered some over the years - pickguard, new bridge in '68 (see photo of receipt), strap piece removed (see photos)
The questions I have are:
What do you feel this would be worth today?
Would the changes that have been made (pickguard, bridge, removed strap piece) change the value any?
Any comments you may have are welcomed! Thanks!

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Welcome and wow, toddh!! You sure no how to make an entrance!! What a beauty. :shock:

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the Artist Award series. There are those here that do, though. I'm sure someone will be along shortly, with some good info for you. If I recall correctly, someone around here (LTG) was looking for an AA, not too long ago.

Best Wishes in your quest.

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You have a beautiful, hand-carved professional level instrument.

If your plan is to sell you could do a 'sold' search on eBay to see what they've sold for in the past, but they are rare enough that there may not be much to go on there

I would recommend talking to Joe Vinikow at Archtop.com http://www.archtop.com/ac_sales.html He is a long-term established and reputable archtop specialist who can give you a very accurate estimate. He takes guitars on consignment at 20%. I'm not affiliated with him in any way business-wise, although in the interest of full disclosure I have known him for many years.

Joe has sold many AAs over the years and can estimate far better than I can, but it looks to me like you have most of the original parts and you should end up somewhere between 4-5k or better. I just saw one (mint) go for $4200 and it was not as early a model so yours, so #107 could be substantially more. DO NOT separate the parts, particularly the vintage DeArmond pickup. They are quite valuable but the guitar with its original parts is a premium.

The changes seem minor to me since they can be undone with the original parts you still have.

Here is a '79 Joe sold a while ago with some good descriptive info (yours has the original older model pickup with the white insert): http://www.archtop.co/ac_79AA.html

Here is a '75 http://www.archtop.com/ac_75AA_409_.html

And a '69 http://www.archtop.com/ac_69AA.html

I hope that helps... there are a number of folks on this forum who have AAs and who will likely have some good information to share as well.
 

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I have a 1957 Johnny Smith Award, a 1978 AA and a 2002 and I know a bit about them, not as much as Hans M (who hangs out here) but enough.

Yours is a rare guitar, especially in blonde. They didn't sell many of those expensive guys.

You have a nice guitar there. No idea why some goofball would take all of the good stuff off of there and make a fake-o pickguard, etc. They turned it into an acoustic but since the pickup floats anyway I doubt it changed the sound at all. Doing modifications like that are crazy, especially to a fully carved, expensive guitar. Makes no sense but then most guitar mods don't. Sigh.

My advice to you is (if you want to sell the thing) get a GOOD, QUALIFIED luthier to put back all the original stuff on the guitar, carefully. Should be worth around 6k or even more. Make sure if you sell it you rave about the neat grain in the wood. Players love that stuff even though it makes no difference in how it sounds. The DeArmond pickup is worth almost a grand alone. Treat it with care.

Put the original bridge back, pronto.

Try it on EBAY yourself first. Forget dealers. A guitar dealer will offer you $1,000.00 for it and sell it on his website for $10,000.00 or something.

Disclose the mods done (and then undone) and see what happens.

Or, if you want to keep it, enjoy it and pass it down. Probably only one of a few made that year, if that. Hans would know the totals but it is a rare beast.

By the way, nice wood grain on the back! :wink:
 

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toddh said:
The questions I have are:
What do you feel this would be worth today?
Would the changes that have been made (pickguard, bridge, removed strap piece) change the value any?
Any comments you may have are welcomed! Thanks!

Hello toddh,

Welcome! Beautiful instrument you have there and it seems to be in quite good structural condition.
As a rule I won't do an appraisal for an instruments that I'm not actually holding in my hands but I can tell you that a guitar from that period in similar cosmetic and structural condition used to bring somewhere around $ 7000.00 if it was all original and maybe a bit more if it was really exceptional.
Right now may not be the right period to sell a guitar like that but since you just acquired it, you may not be interested in selling right away.
Originality means a lot to some people and original parts may be hard to come by. An original pickguard from that particular period will set you back at least $ 300.00 so that might explain what it will do to the value of your guitar if any parts are missing.

From the photos I understand that Jimmy D'Aquisto replaced the bridge on that guitar and even though I admire Mr. D'Aquisto for his role in the archtop world, I feel that this guitar should have an original bridge with proper compensation for a short scale instrument. Since the original bridge is still there I would think you could easily go back to original.

Hope this is of some help.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

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Wow...the only thing I ever got from my aunt was a hard time.

Nice guitar.
 

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What a beautiful guitar. A real time capsule (after restoring the original parts).

Dave :D
 

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Gorgeous guitar you have, T. A real work of art and a valuable asset that should continue to appreciate in value if you choose to keep it.

A 60's AA in such nice condition (with the original parts installed) should go for top dollar.

This 1961 AA has failed to sell on e-Bay at $9,000 for months and months, which suggests to me me that the price is too high.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Guild-Artist-Award- ... 45e1b22cf4

I think Hans, the author of The Guild Guitar Book, has it about right at $7,000.

If I were in your shoes with your background and decided to sell this guitar, I would certainly follow AJ's advice about contacting archtop.com and considering a consignment deal with them. As part of their service, they would put the original parts back on the guitar before offering it for sale.
 

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Are you in NJ? I am, and may be able to help you out if you wish, even if you'd just like professional-level pics of it.

Beautiful instrument.
 

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I second the idea of contacting Joe at Archtop.com. I bought my Artist Award from him and he was a pleasure to deal with. I also agree with restoring it to its original condition. It sure looks nice without the pickup, though.
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Hi,
Thanks for all the information everyone! It is hard when there is very little information about this model from the 60's (at least on the Internet).

I do wish I had the original pickguard and not half of one. Not sure why he would have wanted it cut down to a smaller size except to get rid of an unused hole?? I have looked at the Archtop website and will consider that if I decide to sell it. A very nice local shop here in Minnesota (Willie's) said $4500 but he got that from a book (consignment - 22%). He did say the owner should look at it so he wasn't real sure about it's current value. He was impressed with it though.

Let me know if anyone sees the proper pickguard I would need. Looks like it would be the one with the Guild name and the V symbol above it??
 

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How about I put your mind at ease and just give you fifty dollars (American!) for it! :)

MAN that thing is beautiful.
 

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Wow, that's the Holy Grail of Guilds :shock: Sure is pretty.

I know Elderly Instruments is always searching for nice, high-end and rare pieces. I played a 70's AA they had there once, as I recall it was priced at $4,500.
 

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Todd,

I would think that you would want to talk to Willie and not one of his employees. He is a very nice man and would certainly tell you what he thought the guitar was worth. It's not that his employees would try to deceive you, it's just that Willie has more experience than they do.

I'm in Texas and have no financial interest in Willie's operation, though I have sold and bought guitars from him before. I think he is one of the nicest guys in the biz, plus Willie knows how to sell guitars. It's not that Joe V. doesn't, it's just that Willie is a Known Quantity in the International Vintage Guitar Business who is Local to You.

Why is that important? Because of the potential for shipping problems, for one thing. There is a lot to be said for not having to ship the guitar yourself (as a first time shipper) to a dealer in another part of the country.

The big shippers, Fed Ex & UPS, are all self-insured. They don't like to pay claims for damage, if they perceive that the instrument wasn't packed properly.

What would a proper box be like? Well, first of all, it's going to be an oversized box, and it will need to meet certain strength requirments to be 'insureable'.

Todd, if I were packing an Artist Award for shipment to on Fed Ex or UPS, I would first read the following link:
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resour ... ow_to.html

I would pack the inside of the guitar case with towels, so the guitar wouldn't move around, then build a custom box 3 inches wider than the outer dimensions of the guitar case on the inside of wall of the box (I know the regs say at least 2", but I would do 3" in case the shipper claims that it is a 'special package'). You will actually need to use very strong cardboard to build a box of those dimensions (see the charts), so I would construct the box out of two separate layers of 200 lb test virgin cardboard (when you read the packing regulations, you can see that you will need a box with 350-400 lb test strength for an oversized box that contains a large musical instrument like a full bodied guitar. Now, to get the right material, you'll have to buy a minimum order of 10 4' by 8' sheets of 200 lb test cardboard for about $45.00 bucks at a local supply house. You'll only use two of them, but you can sell the rest to one of the local small shipping houses). Once I built the box, I would fill it full of bubble wrap, not 'packing peanuts'.

Also, expect to pay $100-150 for shipping an oversized guitar box to either Coast, including $5-7000 insurance. If it turns out that you really do want to ship it yourself, contact me and I'll tell you how to build the box.

Enough shipping info, back to guitars:

It wouldn't hurt to get someone else's opinion (like Joe at Archtop.com) for valuation purposes, before you talk to Willie (or anybody else). You know, "Willie, I talked to Joe at Archtop, I talked to the 'Guild Book Guru' Hans at Guitars Galore. Hans said $7K, Joe said $XXXX. What do you think?"

Todd, you also might want to consider that the market is down from what it was 2 or 3 years ago and it is likely to stay down for a while. You might want to hang on to the guitar until the market gets better (or not, that is a personal decision). If you hang on to it, learn how to keep a guitar properly hydrated in the winter in Minnesota. Willie's guys can tell you. So can a lot of people here.

Additionally, there are people who would be really glad to own an AA with a D'Aquisto bridge thrown in as a 'deal sweetener'. Jimmy was a great builder and had some interesting ideas about using 'large' bridges and wooden tailpieces to 'warm up' the sound of his own guitars. That bridge is worth several hundred on it's own, when you include the provenance of the receipts. It would probably be worth more to the final buyer of the guitar, but if he or she doesn't want it, there are other buyers who would, believe me.

The missing strap button is very replaceable, too.

There is also a guy who builds new Guild lucite pickguards. Somebody else here can tell you about that a lot more than I can about how to contact that guy, but certainly, a new, period correct pickguard might be a worthwhile investment to consider as part of the price of selling the guitar.

I would try and put the old cut-down pickguard back on rather than sell it with the 'current one' in place (let a guitar repairman do it for you). The current one doesn't look very good. In fact, it would be better to sell the guitar without a pickguard than leave the 'current' 'guard in place.

Hmmn, come to think of it, it also looks like it's been 'cut out' for a wider pickup than the one that it originally came with. Still, you can find a pic of the right pickup 'cut out' and the pickguard maker can use that to make a perfect 'new one' for you.

One final thought. I think the added value of the D'Aquisto bridge would even out the subtraction in value of the modified pickguard.

Good luck, Harry
 
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There's a company "Pickguardian" has a website, does a good (but not cheap) job at proper dupicates. T KTS
 
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