Yamaki YW-51 I scored on the Japanese auc

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Scored this on Buyee last night as I was GAS’ing for one of these guitars. Made in Japan in the late 70’s these were supposed to be serious contenders in the guitar market. Solid spruce top on this one with laminate rosewood back and sides and I believe real shell inlay. Can’t wait to get it in
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Looks like you held out for a really good one.

Which model is it?
The YW-51 which has a solid spruce top and I’m guessing laminated back and sides. I guess it was their take on the dressier looking Martins
 

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I think the back and sides are very often lam = no cracks ever = because the outside wood is too fine to use in solid sheets.

It's actually a million times harder to make a decent lam than it is to use wood direct from a tree.

For me, the way to tell if one of these Japan beauties is solid or lam on top and looking at the top grain at an angle in good window light. On a lam top, you'll see the sideways striations of the wood sandwiched between the two plies.

My Sango Guild look alike is a ply top, but exquisite spruce on the outside, and a very pretty spruce on the inside, much wider grained, almost red. So in between is a layer of something, I'm not sure what, a crossways layer of spruce I imagine because there is no color variation at the soundhole indicating three plies, and in fact it could fool people looking at it like that.

Just look at the whole top.

On a solid top with some aging, you can make out the braces.

On a lam top with some aging, you can see the crossply.

Sango

Time after time I look a these two beasts I bought just to check out, and when it comes to thinning the herd, I can't let go.

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That's actually a really nice Rosewood veneer on the peghead, bound, really very sweet. Same tuners as on D25/D35 of the era.
 
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I think the back and sides are very often lam = no cracks ever = because the outside wood is too fine to use in solid sheets.

It's actually a million times harder to make a decent lam than it is to use wood direct from a tree.

For me, the way to tell if one of these Japan beauties is solid or lam on top and looking at the top grain at an angle in good window light. On a lam top, you'll see the sideways striations of the wood sandwiched between the two plies.

My Sango Guild look alike is a ply top, but exquisite spruce on the outside, and a very pretty spruce on the inside, much wider grained, almost red. So in between is a layer of something, I'm not sure what, a crossways layer of spruce I imagine because there is no color variation at the soundhole indicating three plies, and in fact it could fool people looking at it like that.

Just look at the whole top.

On a solid top with some aging, you can make out the braces.

On a lam top with some aging, you can see the crossply.

Sango

Time after time I look a these two beasts I bought just to check out, and when it comes to thinning the herd, I can't let go.

P1500492.JPG
P1500497.JPG
P1500506.JPG
P1500499.JPG


That's actually a really nice Rosewood veneer on the peghead, bound, really very sweet. Same tuners as on D25/D35 of the era.
I suspect that Guild copy is made by Kiso Suzuki which was a violin manufacturer in Japan. From what I understand very exquisite guitars. I have an all lam Yamaha FG-150 that sounds better than it has any right to. I wonder how they did it. I heard rumors that Yamaha used high quality woods for the laminations but it’s all rumors. No damning evidence of that claim.
 

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It's not really in the same league as the Yamaki, not the one I have anyway, but there are many lower end Yamakis under mine.
 

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There were so many good early Japanese examples. This one is my minty 1981 Ibanez M-340, with a fully laminate spruce & maple body. One of the keys to it’s satisfying tone has got to be the very thin top, with the Japanese taking full advantage of how thin you could go, given the inherent strength that exists in laminate construction. Aesthetically, it also happens to have one of my favorite (rather Guildish) headstocks ever! Truss rod adjustment is accessed via the soundhole.

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There were so many good early Japanese examples. This one is my minty 1981 Ibanez M-340, with a fully laminate spruce & maple body. One of the keys to it’s satisfying tone has got to be the very thin top, with the Japanese taking full advantage of how thin you could go, given the inherent strength that exists in laminate construction. Aesthetically, it also happens to have one of my favorite (rather Guildish) headstocks ever! Truss rod adjustment is accessed via the soundhole.

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That would make sense. I seem to remember that the worst sounding laminate acoustics I played were on the heavy side which would suggest thick tops and heavy bracing
 
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